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617 tune for smooth running as it was designed
The 85SD is slow the 84SD has a little shake at idle. I'm contemplating strategy for when the weather breaks.
So: Change fuel filters (done) Make sure strainer is clean (done) Adjust valves (both cars were done in the fall) Check timing chain stretch (not done lately) Check timing (not done) Clean, pop injectors, perhaps new nozzles Adjust Rack Damper, replace as needed Check/Adjust boost What else?
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85SD 240K & stopped counting painted, putting bac together. 84SD 180,000. sold to a neighbor and member here but I forget his handle. The 84 is much improved from when I had it. 85TD beginning to repair to DD status. Lots of stuff to do. |
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Check for fuel leaks at IP. Consider replacing the copper crush washers in the delivery valves.
If your injectors have more than 100k miles of service, I'd say they are probably the most likely culprit.
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Respectfully, /s/ M. Dillon '87 124.193 (300TD) "White Whale", ~392k miles, 3.5l IP fitted '95 124.131 (E300) "Sapphire", 380k miles '73 Balboa 20 "Sanctification" Charleston SC |
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There can be a huge difference and many things can affect the idle quality. Look at these two cars; both 1983 300SDs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHFhjbAg8MQ&list=UUX3YyyjeCyrrjETZIhZm95Q
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1991 F250 super-cab 7.3 IDI. (rebuilt by me) Banks Sidewinder turbo, hydroboost brakes, new IP and injectors. 2003 S430 - 107K 1983 300SD - Tanoshii - mostly restored ~400K+. 1983 300SD - Good interior. Engine finally tamed ~250K. Monark Nozzle Install Video - http://tinyurl.com/ptd2tge |
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Both have relatively new motor mounts. The one that shakes has a trans mount also. 178K on the (working now & when I bought it) odometer. I intend to pull injectors & send them off.
These cars deserve to be brought back to specs. I'll do front & rear bushings & whatever else is needed for the suspension to become new again. Was wondering what Is missing from the above list.
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85SD 240K & stopped counting painted, putting bac together. 84SD 180,000. sold to a neighbor and member here but I forget his handle. The 84 is much improved from when I had it. 85TD beginning to repair to DD status. Lots of stuff to do. |
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Once you get them running smoothly, you won't understand how you dealt with them shaking before. It really helps the car come together and feel like a real luxury vehicle.
If the above fixes your rough idle, great. I have found that replacing the delivery valves in the IP was necessary to make the biggest difference in the car with the shaky idle. Reaming the GP holes can help a little, too but mostly with startup.
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1991 F250 super-cab 7.3 IDI. (rebuilt by me) Banks Sidewinder turbo, hydroboost brakes, new IP and injectors. 2003 S430 - 107K 1983 300SD - Tanoshii - mostly restored ~400K+. 1983 300SD - Good interior. Engine finally tamed ~250K. Monark Nozzle Install Video - http://tinyurl.com/ptd2tge |
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You might want to add a diesel purge to the list. Checking length of relief spring in the IP?
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1981 300TD 310k miles 1970 280sel 172k miles 1966 230 Fintail 162k miles "Where are we going? And why am I in this hand basket?" |
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If you found the valves to need adjustment, it really helps considerably to do another valve adjustment back-to-back about 500 miles down the road. I found this helped my idle shake more than anything else.
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Sam 84 300SD 350K+ miles ( Blue Belle ) |
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Getting my injectors rebuilt with new nozzles and balanced properly be a certified Bosch service center helped a lot. After I had that done then the rack dampner bolt actually did something! I can turn it out and the engine will rock back and forth, screw it in and at a certain point it just stops. Could not get it to stop shaking before the injectors were done though.
It still vibrates, but it was rocking before. It would rock the car! |
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Being a bottom feeder, I never had the opportunity to own an 82-85 300D when new. Can anyone who did let us know how the engines felt right off the dealer's lot. Mine barely shake at idle and are fairly quiet in the cabin with the windows closed. From 100 ft away you might not hear the engine idling. However, the engines sound a bit loud on the highway, especially above 60 mph. It seems like I need a higher gear, since even my 85 CA (w/ 86+ tranny) spins ~3000 rpm at 60 mph. If like that new, it is hard to believe these were considered luxury cars in 1985. I am guessing there are some openings to the engine compartment that allow the noise, since even a tiny opening can transmit a lot of sound.
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My 300SD is really insultated. It has a 3.07 gear ratio so it sits at about 2600 rpm on the highway. Doesn't seem too loud. I'm even missing the grommer where the oil pressure line comes in through the firewall. It's going to be louder than a v8 at 1500 rpm.
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Add:
Check idle speed and adjust if necessary.
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1991 F250 super-cab 7.3 IDI. (rebuilt by me) Banks Sidewinder turbo, hydroboost brakes, new IP and injectors. 2003 S430 - 107K 1983 300SD - Tanoshii - mostly restored ~400K+. 1983 300SD - Good interior. Engine finally tamed ~250K. Monark Nozzle Install Video - http://tinyurl.com/ptd2tge |
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Check your fuel pressure. If lower than it should be it does make the idle both noisier and rougher.
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