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Old 11-02-2015, 01:15 PM
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These are my comments. I think a lot of the times the timing chain snaps when something got in the way; vacuum pump failure, guide, tensioner etc. So it is a crap shoot to predict when to replace them. I think all my cars have original chains, they are at 360K, 370K, 315K etc. The one with the lowest mile is about 260K. In theory they are long overdue but they look in pretty good shape. I never did any chain stretch measurement as I doubt how accurate a prediction it is. I had one oil pump chain snapped on me at 305K on a SDL. I could never understand why, may be a piece of the plastic guide broke off. So I always replaced the oil pump chain if I took the pan off.

But don't get me wrong, I bought timing chains already but is waiting for an opportune time to roll it in. The bottom line is that roll a new one in if the OP is concern. However, there is always a risk that some other things broke and take the new one out. Who knows?

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Old 11-02-2015, 02:00 PM
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Remember on these high mileage engines that the oil pump on the turbo motors is chain driven and is located just under the main cam chain. it gets a lot more revolutions than the cam chain and may possibly fail when the cam chain is fine.
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Old 11-02-2015, 02:04 PM
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I wonder if some chain failure is a combination of:

Chain stretch allowing the chain to run loose on the sprockets (pull is only on the last tooth to contact the chain, which would be high already as it rode around loose and high

Worn guides allowing more chain movement

Low oil pressure allowing low tensioner pressure (plus possibly a worn tensioner)

I think we'd all like to know the answer, but in my mind this is kind of like the when to replace a vacuum-pump (or oil-pump chain) debate, ... can you afford to be wrong?
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Old 11-02-2015, 02:09 PM
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... can you afford to be wrong?
You cannot. You need to replace everything to be 100% sure so I take my chances.
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:34 PM
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I am in the same boat... with 190K on my 83 300cd turbo.

using the 2mm lift I measured approx. 3 degrees of stretch.

most diy posts describe rolling in new chain and installing new tensioner.

the lower rails seems like a pain to get to.

would it be prudent to change out the chain, tensioner, tensioning rail and upper slide rail?

that would leave out the two lower rails, and sprockets unchanged. assuming the sprockets don't show severe wear.

not sure if there is a way to inspect the lower rails for wear...

any input would be appreciated
On the OM671.952 I have not read any evidence that the Timing Chains pop all by themselves due to stretch.

Of coures if the stretch gets to be enough the Camshaft Timing would be off enoungh that Valves might contact Pistons but I have not read of anyone that far off.

Since Mercedes supplies several Off-set Woodruff Keys and you have not even reached the point of the first off-set I can't see reason to be worried.
You might be better off pulling your Vacuum Pump (which I have done 3 times to inspect in 7 years) and inspect the Bearing, Arm and parts of the Piston (for cracks where the bolt goes through it). And, more important check the end play of the Timer Gear (actually called the intermediat shaft bushing).

See a pic of the worn intermediate (timer) shaft bushing in post #3.
Vacuum Pump Failure, picking up the pieces?
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:45 PM
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Remember on these high mileage engines that the oil pump on the turbo motors is chain driven and is located just under the main cam chain. it gets a lot more revolutions than the cam chain and may possibly fail when the cam chain is fine.
There is a tiny Snap-ring that has to do with the Oil Pump Chain Tensioner Spring and the Spring itself that ought to be inspected.
The little Snap-ring wears out and the Tensioner gets a little free.

See post #37 for a diagram.
1985 300TD wagon broken camshaft

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