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W123 240D hesitation/loss of power on highway Why?
I got my car back from the mechanic a few weeks ago and on Sunday I took it out for its first highway trip. Engine and transmission were well warmed-up from in-town driving before I hit the highway. After a few minutes at full speed (65-70 mph), I noticed a sort of intermittent "drag", like some force was trying to slow the car down. It would come and go in short spurts.
The highway ended soon. On the way home, I decided to take a different route, with more highway. The car drove perfectly normally on country roads (35-50 mph) for half an hour. Once on the highway, the hesitation/drag/whatever reappeared after a minute or two. It worsened to where the car would not keep up over 60 mph, but didn't continue getting worse. I put the car in neutral and revved the engine through various speeds...everything seemed fine...no unusual roughness or sounds. We got into the city and the car drove normally in stop-and-go. Once out on the highway, it took a minute or two and the drag effect reappeared. After getting home, I let the car idle while unloading it and telling my wife about the trip (10-15 minutes). I then checked the transmission fluid. It was a nice pink color and the level was between the marks. I had replaced it myself in the spring, and thought I might have overfilled it a bit but with the well warmed, then cooled, transmission it looks to be ok. I am at a complete loss on what this could be. It really does not seem to be an engine issue, I'm thinking either transmission or some other drivetrain problem. Can a failing bearing act like this? The fact that it's taking a couple minutes to start makes me think something has to heat up for the problem to present, and in-town driving doesn't make that happen. Anything I can easily test for? My time is limited these days because of family stuff. I can bring it back to the mechanic but would like to have some idea of what I'm dealing with. He commented that the car drives really well (has power) for a 240D automatic of its mileage. This is an original engine and transmission. Odometer died at 307,000 miles, my best guess is it's about 325,000 miles now.
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1982 240D automatic Odometer quit at 307K...about 325K now |
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Have you checked the fuel filters? To me it sounds like it is getting starved for fuel so there might be a partial clog. At highway speeds it needs more fuel consistently so the problem is likely to show up only there at first.
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1. Fuel filters.
2. Tank strainer. 3. Tank vent.
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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar. 83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles 08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles 88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress. 99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles. |
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When putting your filters on... use the clear 90 degree one up front.. so you can see if you are getting any little black specs growing in there... meaning cleaning of the other filters and a killing of algae will be needed to really solve the problem...
I took the tank out of my 123 to clean it... but would not the next time...as there are nice water blasting openings in it...
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/10414-help-i-need-check-stretch.html http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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Fuel filter.
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Thanks, guys! I would not have thought of that.
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1982 240D automatic Odometer quit at 307K...about 325K now |
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A restricted Air Filter can also cause the loss of power described though the Fuel Filters are the most common problem.
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True.
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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar. 83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles 08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles 88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress. 99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles. |
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Put a hill in front of a 240D auto and you will get the exact same thing....well technically any incline....throw in passengers...its even worse...
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I never followed up on this. Replacing the fuel filters did the job. Once I got the engine running (it took more cranking than I expected, even after using the hand pump per instructions), the issue was gone. Instead of starting to hesitate at 60 mph, it gets up to 80 with no problem. Not bad for a $15 investment in new parts.
Thanks!
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1982 240D automatic Odometer quit at 307K...about 325K now |
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food for thought
this has happened to me more than once.
i like to keep a couple of filters, rags, wrench & scredriver sealed in a big ziploc bag tossed into the trunk as we are usually far from home when the power loss becomes apparent
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I never leave home without them!
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Junqueyardjim Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important. C.S. Lewis 1983 Mercedes W123 240D 4 Speed 285,000 on the road with a 617 turbo, beautiful butter yellow, license plate # 83 240D INDIANA 2003 Jaguar Type X, AWD. beautiful, good mileage, Mom's car, but I won't let her drive it! |
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It`s usually a small problem with these engines that seems like a huge one many times.
Just the basic maintenance will keep them running a long time. If you fill the big filter with first before screwing it on, you won`t have to crank on the starter so long. I usually fill mine with ATF from a new bottle. That way I know it is coming out of a clean container vs pouring say Diesel out of a container from the filling station. This will lessen the possible issue of introducing dirt, water etc.. into your new filter. Diesel Purge, or other diesel additives can be used as well to fill it.
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works |
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Side question: why do diesel cans not come in less than a 5-gallon size? You can find 1-gallon plastic containers, red, that say GASOLINE, easily. The equivalent in yellow that says DIESEL doesn't exist. The smallest one that does is 5 gallons.
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1982 240D automatic Odometer quit at 307K...about 325K now |
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Quote:
Why did it take you two years to change your fuel filter?... ![]()
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