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tangofox007 09-28-2018 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 3846437)
? Why not just use the original German boots with this tool ? .
Because you have to use "stretch" boots when using a stretch tool.

Graham 09-28-2018 11:17 AM
Those cheap Chinese axles are beginning to sound better and better! And cost less than an expander and a dozen boots? Meanwhile, my 3M 5200 coated boots soldier on ;)

ROLLGUY 09-28-2018 11:20 AM
I just yesterday received from Amazon, four Dorman 03680 universal CV boot kits. Although the packaging looks different, the boots look the same. I have the Astoria Flexx Boot tool, and it fits over the stock cans. From the listing:
  • Replaces inner and outer CV joint boots
  • Solid design
  • Stretches to fit joints up to 3 5/8" in diameter
  • Kit includes boot, grease, two clamps and instructions
  • Replaces inner and outer CV joint boots
  • Solid design
  • Stretches to fit joints up to 3 5/8" in diameter
I am hoping these will not tear like yours did. I have used the Astoria 2000 boots, and they do flex very well. I have never torn one of them. However, I was looking for a less expensive alternative. That is why I am going to try the Dorman.......Rich

ROLLGUY 09-28-2018 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vwnate1 ? Why not just use the original German boots with this tool ? .

Quote:
Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3846457)
Because you have to use "stretch" boots when using a stretch tool.
Explanation:

The Homo-kinetic axles are impossible to take apart by the DIYer, so a cone or boot gun is needed to stretch the boots over the cans. An Annular axle can be disassembled, and the boot/s can be installed right on the axle. Factory German boots will NOT stretch over the cans of Homo-kinetic axles. However, they will work on Annular axles just fine.

ROLLGUY 09-28-2018 12:07 PM
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Looking at the packaging and instructions, I see a problem. On the card in the package it says: "installation requires removal of the CV joint". However, in the installation instructions, it shows an "On-the-car tool" being used with a cone to install the boot without removing the joint. Although the instructions show the boot stretching over the joint, I am a little leery about using the Astoria boot gun with these boots.

ROLLGUY 09-28-2018 12:09 PM
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tangofox007 09-28-2018 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY (Post 3846481)
I have used the Astoria 2000 boots, and they do flex very well. I have never torn one of them. However, I was looking for a less expensive alternative. That is why I am going to try the Dorman.......Rich
I bought this Astoria 2000 assortment for $90 with a new customer discount. Sold what I didn't need on Ebay. In the end, I got the boots that I needed for free and came out ahead money-wise on the rest.

https://mobiledistributorsupply.com/flexx-boot-start-up-kit-1.html

ROLLGUY 09-28-2018 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3846500)
I bought this Astoria 2000 assortment for $90 with a new customer discount. Sold what I didn't need on Ebay. In the end, I got the boots that I needed for free and came out ahead money-wise on the rest.

https://mobiledistributorsupply.com/flexx-boot-start-up-kit-1.html
That is a great deal. If these Dorman boots don't work out, I will order the kit.

Diesel911 09-28-2018 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 3846437)
? Why not just use the original German boots with this tool ? .
As mentioned the stock type boots cannot be stretched.

I have not read that even the stock boots you can get from Mercedes are made in Germany. The Stock Motor Mounts from Mercedes are made in Turkey by another company Phoenix (Lemforder boxes the Phoenix mounts under their name and grinds off the Mercedes logo on the Mount).

Diesel911 09-28-2018 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY (Post 3846489)
Looking at the packaging and instructions, I see a problem. On the card in the package it says: "installation requires removal of the CV joint". However, in the installation instructions, it shows an "On-the-car tool" being used with a cone to install the boot without removing the joint. Although the instructions show the boot stretching over the joint, I am a little leery about using the Astoria boot gun with these boots.
I think you are the only member that has bought the Dorman Cone type tool.
Is the inside diameter of the cone large enough to slide over the Cans?

I ended up using and Astro Pneumatic Cone to install the Dorman Boots on mine. It comes with Steel Tongs that are kind of not so good. It would take some time to smooth the inner surface of the tong as it scratches up the cone. I used just the cone by itself.

The ID of the cone was too tight and I scraped and sanded it larger. The when installed on the cans the cone came up 1/4" sort of the rolled crimp on the came which made it less smooth of a job to slide the boot over the can.

Let us know if the plastic tongs work well.

ROLLGUY 09-28-2018 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3846526)
I think you are the only member that has bought the Dorman Cone type tool.
Is the inside diameter of the cone large enough to slide over the Cans?

I ended up using and Astro Pneumatic Cone to install the Dorman Boots on mine. It comes with Steel Tongs that are kind of not so good. It would take some time to smooth the inner surface of the tong as it scratches up the cone. I used just the cone by itself.

The ID of the cone was too tight and I scraped and sanded it larger. The when installed on the cans the cone came up 1/4" sort of the rolled crimp on the came which made it less smooth of a job to slide the boot over the can.

Let us know if the plastic tongs work well.
I did not buy anything other than the boot kits. They do not come with any tools. The instructions are printed "assuming" the installer has the tools (sold separately).

vwnate1 09-28-2018 09:06 PM
Apperciate The Replies
 
Thanx guys ! .

Back in the day German rubber was *very* stiff but stretched over 50 %, necessary on some jobs .

tangofox007 09-28-2018 09:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 3846621)

Back in the day German rubber was *very* stiff but stretched over 50 %, necessary on some jobs .
The smaller hole in the axle boot needs to stretch over 400% to fit over the CV joint.

Envision a hole the size of a quarter expanding to a size that would allow a softball to pass through with plenty of extra clearance. The Astoria boot will do that.

vwnate1 09-28-2018 09:36 PM
Ah, HA ! .

ROLLGUY 09-28-2018 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3846627)
The smaller hole in the axle boot needs to stretch over 400% to fit over the CV joint.

Envision a hole the size of a quarter expanding to a size that would allow a softball to pass through with plenty of extra clearance. The Astoria boot will do that.
Well said.


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