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91 300D Extremely Sluggish on Cold Morning
Car sat for about two weeks over the holidays. Drove around town upon return without incident. This morning 4F outside. Started right up with one glow cycle. But, in the early going, it was extremely sluggish....trouble even getting to 30 mph. After 10 miles or so, things improved considerably...could get up to highway speed. But still not as responsive as normal. And to top off my morning the horn doesn't work.
FYI leaking fuel thermostat was replaced a couple of months ago. I will drive it home another 10 miles in a few hours, so we'll see. Any ideas?
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well it's an old diesel that needs to warm up. the cold outside makes things a lot slower. I personally think you're over worrying. I'd let it get up to operating temperature before making any judgements. you should also let it sit when it's that cold outside at least 3 minutes so the oil can circulate. It sounds like you're immediately starting it and going which is not good. I don't believe in letting diesels idle for extended periods because it's not good but 3 minutes is a standard rule. you also shouldn't shut it off without it being up to temperature because you'll cause condensation in your oil.
enjoy the ride and stay warm! also if the issue persists its worth checking your fuel filters. you said it sits a lot so that may be letting condensation get into your tank which could be causing gunk to clog your filters!
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Warmup Needed x2. When it's really cold, you have a few things working against you. The oil is thick and there's not enough heat in the cylinders to adequately vaporize the fuel.
Remember that in a diesel, the fuel is combusted by the heat of compression, but before it can combust it needs to vaporize. When it's REALLY cold out, adequate vaporization of the fuel in the prechamber can take a couple of minutes since the brutally cold air charge is working against the heating done by compression and the previous combustion event. The oil being thick works against you too. Not only does it resist movement in the engine, but it prevents the turbocharger spooling easily. Adding insult to injury, if it's cold enough the fuel itself can begin waxing or gelling. Try letting it warm up for a few minutes before taking off when it's really cold like that. It's easier on the engine and easier on your patience too.
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And use your block heater (if not doing so already).
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Actually, I did let it idle for several minutes.
The car has been through seven New England winters with me and this behavior was unique. It wasn't the kind of slowness that one would typically associated with a cold engine. I've been driving OM602 cars since 2003 so am pretty familiar with how they respond to the cold. Block heater has never worked. Let it sit for four hours then drove ten miles. Everything working perfectly...including the horn. Weird. It will be -7 tomorrow morning...we'll see what happens.
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You may have some fuel clouding due to the cold weather, but not enough to block the filters. Simply driving will eventually warm up everything in the tank and performance will improve. There was a recent thread on winter fuel additives, which is worth reading.
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It's been this cold or colder before and I've never had an issue.
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14 E250 Bluetec 4Matic "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 154k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 172k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver on Tan, 142k mi, wastegate conversion, ALDA delete 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife Last edited by shertex; 01-06-2018 at 01:20 PM. |
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+1 fuel clouding, that issue seems to be going around.
This is according to the guy who pumps fuel here(in Oregon we're too dumb to pump our own....), so take it for what you will. Around here, the fuel stations mix the fuel for the weather expected in the next week or two, not just a switchover immediately to winter fuel that'll handle under zero immediately, as colder blends cost more. When a cold snap hits, buying fuel from a station that has a high turnover rate is important, and also making sure the fuel in your own tank is turned over is important.
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I'd be inclined to add some antigel as well. Better safe than sorry and all that.
We don't get the cold temps like you guys get(15ish is about as low as it gets) but I still add antigel. Doesn't cost much, not much hassle, and it would only take once having a fuel system full of butter to really make me wish I had treated it.
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Surprising I've never had an issue in all these years.
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14 E250 Bluetec 4Matic "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 154k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 172k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver on Tan, 142k mi, wastegate conversion, ALDA delete 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife |
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same here.
verrry sluggish for first 1/4 mile or so with minimal/no warm-up perked up after driving a bit
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I have a gelling problem maybe once every ten years. I never use additives, so it's probably due to variable fuel quality.
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