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Old 02-18-2020, 01:55 PM
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How to test rear windshield defrost/defog?

The dreaded w126 rear windshield milky white/ delamination syndrome is manifesting itself on the '85SD passenger side rear corner. Only the upper 25% of the glass heats up - the wires show corrosion where the discoloration is seen.

Located a good seeming replacement at the pick and pull. How to test it before pulling?
Also, will any year fit?
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:35 PM
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You can use your volt/ohm meter to see if there is continuity and that could tell you if it has a open circuit/dead (a test light that has a battery would also work) but that won't tell you if all of the grids are function.

I have not been to a junkyard out here for a long time but it used to be you could purchase a warranty on the part you take of. However, the warranty only covered you getting another used part.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:32 AM
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Unscrew the leads, one on each side edge of the glass and test the resistance between them.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:59 AM
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Unfortunately all that will tell you is that you have at least one good wire.

The only real way to check is power up and do an IR scan. Unfortunately not everyone has one of those in their back pocket...maybe soon the price on those will come down to where they are commonly affordable.

Only other thing I can think of is that you will get a magnetic field around each conductor, and only the lines with continuity will pass current and thus generate a field about that line. May have to do an experiment with a compass and see if it is capable of detecting the field in each grid line and resolve to tell if a line is carrying or not. Or maybe a Hall effect sensor.
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Old 02-20-2020, 10:09 AM
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Unfortunately all that will tell you is that you have at least one good wire.

The only real way to check is power up and do an IR scan. Unfortunately not everyone has one of those in their back pocket...maybe soon the price on those will come down to where they are commonly affordable.

Only other thing I can think of is that you will get a magnetic field around each conductor, and only the lines with continuity will pass current and thus generate a field about that line. May have to do an experiment with a compass and see if it is capable of detecting the field in each grid line and resolve to tell if a line is carrying or not. Or maybe a Hall effect sensor.
That is what I was trying to say.
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Unfortunately all that will tell you is that you have at least one good wire.

The only real way to check is power up and do an IR scan. Unfortunately not everyone has one of those in their back pocket...maybe soon the price on those will come down to where they are commonly affordable.

Only other thing I can think of is that you will get a magnetic field around each conductor, and only the lines with continuity will pass current and thus generate a field about that line. May have to do an experiment with a compass and see if it is capable of detecting the field in each grid line and resolve to tell if a line is carrying or not. Or maybe a Hall effect sensor.
How about icing up the glass with dry ice and seeing if it clears all up and down the window in that way typical of an operating defroster?
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Hmm... the pocket compass idea has some merit. I'm betting even a small battery, connected to the terminals, might be sufficient to cause a fluctuation of the needle when you scan it from top to bottom. It's worth a shot!
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Measure the current consumption!
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Measure the current consumption!
Yes with an ammeter but you would need a known good rear window to get a reading from and then you would need to take a Car batter with you to the Junk Yard so you could take a reading there.\
The tough word there is Junk Yard.
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Old 02-23-2020, 11:55 PM
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Yes with an ammeter but you would need a known good rear window to get a reading from and then you would need to take a Car batter with you to the Junk Yard so you could take a reading there.\
The tough word there is Junk Yard.
Why "tough" ? you're in Long beach where there are lots of junk yards and one of the larger LKQ Pick-A-Part ones with usually lots of Mercedes W123's & W126's....

They're the cheapest in town too ! I just bought a 6 disc CD changer for $18 + tax .
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Why "tough" ? you're in Long beach where there are lots of junk yards and one of the larger LKQ Pick-A-Part ones with usually lots of Mercedes W123's & W126's....

They're the cheapest in town too ! I just bought a 6 disc DC changer for $18 + tax .
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Every thing I do on my Car in my drive way is easier then in Junkyard therefore what is done at a junkyard is tougher.

In fact for me just getting in and out of the rear seat of a Car (to hook up wires to test a rear window) propped on top of a bunch of welded together wheel rims would be more difficult.

They of course unless you have like a 12 volt lawn mower, motorcycle or small battery you have to transport the full sized car battery into the Junk Yard and I don't know if they would even allow that.

I bet I have not been to junk yard since before 2011. In 2011 I broke the ball off of my Hip Bone. Since that time my interest in dragging myself around a junk yard has been severely curtailed.

Also in the 2 junk years I used to frequent W123's were in the minority compared to SDs
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:45 AM
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I can dig your sentiment .

It's a Direct Current powered CD player, does that cut me any slack ? .

I didn't think so, blame it on my fat fingers, they match my head .

I grew up working on rusty old farm junk in the mud or on ice in a drafty barn, having a paved junkyard to work in in California was an up grade .

Hobbling 'round the yard on my cane isn't much fun either but I do what I gotta do .

Junkyarding was fun as a young man , now it's my regular exercise .
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That is plausible, except that you won't be able to detect that you have a few open wires that way.

Same reason you can't reliably flush out a parallel flow condenser or a radiator.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:26 AM
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If you measure one with no open wires, then measure another and get the same amperage, it also has no open wires.
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:51 AM
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Get a can of cold spray. Put a battery or booster cables on. Turn the rear defroster on. Spray a vertical pattern down through all the strips after letting them warm for a minute. You should see if all are heating or not.


Unless breaks are always visable to the eye you have to power it up. A hand held spot temperature reader would also do it. Read the strips from the inside though.
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