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However, they are experts and will tell you it cant be done including comments on performance and longevity based on zero data. Go figure. The hardest mods will be to your manifolds. There are a couple ways to rig this, i chose the lopping off of the 5cyl manifold which can get a little complicated with the cast iron and one bolt hole. Then you will need a turbo drain line provision, accomplished by pulling lower oil pan and carefully drilling a hole through the upper pan aluminum. I chose a bulkhead fitting, others have tapped the casting and threaded in a hose nipple. Oiling parts for the turbo from the 617 oil filter housing, and a few other mods. Theres a good thread with (still active) pictures over on superturbodiesel, called "purple 240 turbo" Good read on exactly how he did it. This forum is not receptive to many mods
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Have to agree with the more "liberal" posters here
![]() People have put turbos on NA engines since turbos were invented, don't let anyone tell you you it can't be done. Just don't expect them to last like the proper designed engines do. I went and stuck a bigger turbo and souped up injection pump on my NA 617 but yet to get it road legal...
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Turbo charged a 85 240d. Worked great,out performed any stock 300sd between
15-85mph. although the head was ported,larger exhaust valve installed,fuel increased. Suggestions:use a turbo from a 1.8 L engine,early toyota,300sd turbo to large. Wasted gate control (spring). Best intake 84-85 egr kind,of course with mods. No kidding. Had tried the 5 cyl manifold before. If done correct you will really enjoy. |
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Easier and cheaper to buy a 300D turbo. Why on earth would you spend your free time hacking up a perfectly good 240, pay the same or more, to end up with something inferior?
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Have you actually done an installation of a turbo on a 240? What did it cost you in the end and how many miles have you put on it?
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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual. ![]() ..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis. |
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I have converted one and bought a converted one. On both, the turbo was sourced from a 300D. Reading above a smaller turbo might be a fun. The oomph a turbo gives you is great around town on a 240, especially with a stock differential. My point is you are listing things that are not really a requirement for a conversion, and presenting them as necessary, to make the point its not worth it. Cost was pretty low, you are using mostly bits sourced from a 300D. Most of your time, money, and effort is in labor or paying welding labor. I had about 5k on mine before i dismantled it for rot reasons (still have the engine) and the one i bought had quite a bit more 20 to 30k. What i have no experinece with is TRUE longevity, not just rumors of unknown death and destruction. However having said that there are quite a few member who certainly do. Before i started my conversion i made a point of contacting people i could find who had done it and asking them. You know what? I couldnt find a direct account of destruction anywhere. Here is what i think based on that, its likely true that turbo charging the 616 reduces engine life, but its likely negligible. If a motor is capable of lasting 4 to 500k without major overhaul, thats decades of driving for most people. If you knock off say 50k with your turbo charger at the end of an engines life, its not going to be noticed when most of these cars actually driven will rot away decades prior. With that in mind go nuts. The rest of the car is likely to fall apart well before you notice adverse effects from turbo charging the engine. Then again, you may not have adverse effects at all depending how you drive it. It the meantime the modification gives a dangerously slow and heavy blob of steel, a hell of an injection of fun and usability.
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Because its not inferior, and its a fun project.
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Some people here work on these cars for fun.
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I'm waiting for anyone who still drives one to chime in .
Yes, the handling is markedly better . Yes, there were loads of them around ten years ago, not so much now ~ not one has chimed in to say "I did this and am still loving it" . Hot Rods of any stripe are fun until they aren't then no one wants to remember the anguish caused . Agreed it'll make the car more fun to drive but, the end of life comes up much faster than anyone wants to admit and the entire times it's spewing oil out of every joint ~ another little detail they choose to ignore or forget .
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I guess the question finally is "does it make economic sense?" I suspect that the answer will always be no. JB3 you never answered about the cost. It sounds like you did a lot of the custom work yourself....most folks really cannot.
If you are doing it because you enjoy the challenge and get satisfaction from it, no problem. When MB built turbo models they had to design them to run years on end and at sustained speeds on our interstate or on the Autobahn.
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I challenge you to substantiate a single one of your claims. I couldnt when i was looking into this.
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I paid a forum member to braze my exhaust manifold, think 100 bucks. Aluminum welding cost me less than 100. That plus parts id be surprised if i was into it for more than 500 bucks. You may be overthinking the true complexity and cost of how much work this is. Its a fun project
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That's not how it works. There's a reason why the turbo engines have piston cooling jets and other changes (prechamber etc) I bet if you really got on it with good boost you would melt a piston or destroy a prechamber in it in less that 10 miles. |
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Some one did put on a Turbo on a 240D about 5-7 years back in the Performance section. Used an intercooler. Also, as I remember he was getting 36-38 mpg in VT with a 4 spd.
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This forum is not the best one for this topic. That being said...
I have a turbo 616, GT2052V, ATW intercooler, maxed out IP, Modified Prechamners, 10* (at the crank) advanced cam timing, 315 injector nozzles, and start of injection timing is a 29* BTDC and regularly 20/25lbs of boost. I am currently playing with a 616 block to make piston squirters so I can put 617a pistons in it so it will handle a 10mm pump. The reality is this.. It is not the addition of a turbo that makes more power. Simply adding a turbo to a 616 will at best, clean up any smoke that there may have been before the turbo, but only when in boost. The increase in power comes from increasing fuel, and that is where the turbo comes in, as in order to burn more fuel, the engine needs more air. Sounds easy, but adjusting the IP output and Ideally fueling curve is something that many people have gotten themselves in trouble trying to do. A tuned turbo 240D will make a stock 300D (turbo) look slow up until about 60mph, at that point it is running out of gear. lol So, at the end of the day, unless you are capable of tuning governor to increase the fueling, don't bother adding a turbo. |
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