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Old 12-14-2020, 03:39 AM
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Mom lives in sun city west. I may be taking a trip to visit after the holidays. I’d be interested in helping out where I can so I will PM you when I do.
Bill, Sun City is about a solid hour drive from here, so that would be a very generous gift which I already appreciate, thank you.


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We are such a bunch of pack rats(Americans). The country of “...just a little more than my fir share.” and a commensurate amount of storage.

I’m feeling a bit ashamed because I basically disassembled an entire car and shuttled it home to a now very cluttered garage where my son and I were going to build a small boat together. Argh! I’m not looking to make a buck off it just build a reasonable inventory and give away the rest.

Nate hit it on the head. It all ends up owning us and cluttering our lives. Giving it away makes it someone else’s problem unless they use it but somethings are worth it. These cars only have value to those who’ve fell in love with them and or have great memories associated with them. We recognize them for their fine engineering, performance, and serviceability but we like our cars are a dying breed within an era. I’ve tried to instill simple values in my kids. My younger son adores my 240D which we call Sadie. In time that may change but the memories and the values passed on will serve him well and who knows, maybe Sadie will remain a part of his life too.
I think the best thing we can do for any legacy is to pass it forward and help those who’ll listen, about why it has value and what that means to you personally. That’s exactly what I see happening here and on many other owners/enthusiast forums. All our stuff will eventually be dust in the wind. It takes hard work, perseverance, and patience to maintain these cars. My kids may never share my interest in the w123 or OM616 but they’ll know what’s important to keep your dreams rolling.

Wow that’s corny! But still..,
Well, you may think it is corny, however, it is a huge help as to me confirms I need to quit getting hung up on saving stuff for someone that may not even exist. Once I can get out there, get pictures and a list, and see if anyone takes it, say give two weeks and then gone?

I sure hope Sadie gets to stay in the family, time will tell. What age range is he, a young lad?
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Old 12-15-2020, 02:40 AM
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Adriel,
My youngest is 9. I offered her to my eldest first. He just turned 16. “I’ll think about it Dad.” �� Kids...

And the table saw... HEHE! Yeah I’ve been trying to dig that out all summer, fall, and now into winter. I should have been a junket I suppose. I’m not a hoarder per se but everyone I need to fabricate something I have the material or parts on hand. It just takes most of the day to find it.

Now... did I need four doors, a hood, and a boot lid today? No I did not but my doors all have rot in the bottom and both lids are rusted. The stuff I brought home is spotless inside and out like it had been garaged mist of its life. I stripped everything that wasn’t welded on topside, exhaust, all the glass, and Fuel lines. I really would like the differential but ran out of time. One things for certain, I’m set for fasteners.

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Old 12-12-2020, 10:46 AM
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Not really related, but wanted to "chime in". The first car I bought with my own money, and the genesis of my interest in German cars, was a 1971 beige VW Squareback, manual, with Bosch Electronic F.I.(in 1971!!!) Was in my late teens, purchased from original owner (husband and wife, native German, his wife drove Audi's) for $100. I can't recall the mileage, but it wasn't that high.
That car was amazing! Drove it EVERYWHERE! Sadly, being of "rustbelt" origin, the unibody was rusting away behind the front wheels, in the upper fender area, fenders, too. Also the front bumper mounts turned to dust eventually. Not before I got a bunch of years out of it, though.
I was a dumb kid and didn't know how to "save" her and had no money. Bought 2 front fenders from VW (imported from Germany at that time) and had a guy weld some plate for the front bumper. I was outraged at the price of the fenders (about $100 ea), but that translates to about $650 ea, in todays dollars!!
Good memories, good times in that car!! I guess many would agree: If I only knew then what I know now. (or, maybe just 1% of it...lol)
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Old 12-12-2020, 12:21 PM
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oma and opa?
are you korean?
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:28 PM
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oma and opa?
are you korean?
Far from it, I am a mutt consisting of Dutch, English, possibly Friesian, German, Irish, Norman, very strong possibility of Pomeranian, Prussian, Scottish, Swiss, and Welsh. My Paternal side is mostly Germanic and Dad chose for his parents to be called Oma and Opa, which is the familiar form of Grandmother and Grandfather (my Maternal side is the UK portion).
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Old 12-12-2020, 12:49 PM
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Not really related, but wanted to "chime in". The first car I bought with my own money, and the genesis of my interest in German cars, was a 1971 beige VW Squareback, manual, with Bosch Electronic F.I.(in 1971!!!) Was in my late teens, purchased from original owner (husband and wife, native German, his wife drove Audi's) for $100. I can't recall the mileage, but it wasn't that high.
That car was amazing! Drove it EVERYWHERE! Sadly, being of "rustbelt" origin, the unibody was rusting away behind the front wheels, in the upper fender area, fenders, too. Also the front bumper mounts turned to dust eventually. Not before I got a bunch of years out of it, though.
I was a dumb kid and didn't know how to "save" her and had no money. Bought 2 front fenders from VW (imported from Germany at that time) and had a guy weld some plate for the front bumper. I was outraged at the price of the fenders (about $100 ea), but that translates to about $650 ea, in todays dollars!!
Good memories, good times in that car!! I guess many would agree: If I only knew then what I know now. (or, maybe just 1% of it...lol)
Thanks and appreciation for sharing this, these kind of stories encourages me to keep my Squareback despite the grief I get from family.

The Type 3 was the nicest offering by Volkswagen, especially when in August 1967 launched the 1968 with Bosch D-Jetronic FI, the first mass produced vehicle to have FI. It still had the body on frame of the Type 1, the long block was the same, however, far more cabin and luggage space, plus the front suspension was fully independent.

My Squareback is a 1971 Sunroof, Marina Blau, and still has her FI. The first owner was a German who did a tourist delivery and had a one year work contract at Bell Laboratories, first in Maryland and then San Diego. My Dad's University friend Sue had her 38 years until I bought the Squareback. Being it lived on the coast and has a sunroof, it will need the lower portion of the front pillar replaced plus both rockers (I have the sheet metal). So, I understand they do easily rust, especially exposed to salt like ours were.

And that was a lot of money for fenders, obviously there was at least an appreciation for her. I gladly pay that to get the Beetle a set of NOS German fenders, super hard finding used and most are beat to snot. Maybe even a set of front fenders for the Squareback, both have the infamous rust at the top back corners (replacements so better than what was there).
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:00 PM
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Glad you enjoyed my ramblings....I enjoyed sharing them.
I loved that car! So much so, I bought a Fastback to go along with her. That was an automatic and it just didn't have the same "mojo" as my Beige Squareback with the manual trans. IIRC the mileage was a lot higher, had been driven harder (I think) and a lot of parts replaced. Didn't like it at all. The tranny felt like mush, car didn't wanna move and it handled like crap compared the the Squareback. Dunno if that was common or it was just worn out?
I totally relate to the subject of this thread. Save WAY TOO MUCH "stuff".....despite the grief I get from family...LOL It's just human nature, for us, anyway.
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:42 PM
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Glad you enjoyed my ramblings....I enjoyed sharing them.
I loved that car! So much so, I bought a Fastback to go along with her. That was an automatic and it just didn't have the same "mojo" as my Beige Squareback with the manual trans. IIRC the mileage was a lot higher, had been driven harder (I think) and a lot of parts replaced. Didn't like it at all. The tranny felt like mush, car didn't wanna move and it handled like crap compared the the Squareback. Dunno if that was common or it was just worn out?
I totally relate to the subject of this thread. Save WAY TOO MUCH "stuff".....despite the grief I get from family...LOL It's just human nature, for us, anyway.
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My first Type 3 was a beige 1968 Fastback, totally beat to snot and rusted out, so inexperienced, too in a hurry, and too in love got bit hard. I ended up selling it for a fraction of what I paid, plus some used parts, more importantly, got me a friend and into the community where I could do far better with the second.

I never have driven an automatic, I would expect some loss in performance as the automatic does consume engine power to operate the pumps and valves. I bet some of it was being worn, 64 horsepower is not a lot especially if the FI and engine tune is not in top shape. Plus, worn suspension can have a huge impact on the feel of the handling, worn out it is just terrible, even dangerous, however, once everything is new, wow, what a feeling (and was just a short distance as the replacement front beam wouldn't bolt up as turned out the frame was bent).

Even if human nature, do we have to go along with it? Or can we see when it is causing us harm and need to make changes?
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Old 12-13-2020, 05:33 PM
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O.K., you guys asked for it by talking not just about old Beetles but Typ III's too .

I'm one of those who loved the various Typ III's, carburetted as well as the D-Jet equipped ones .

I've owned too many to remember them all but my very favorite as my all original and rust free 1971 Fastback .

It has sun roof, AM/FM/SW radio and the automatic ~ being a VW Mechanic I knew how to tune it so it flew as VW intended .

One of my buddies said "typ III's with automatics are slugs" so I took him for a spirited ride down the Mulholland Highway, bias ply tires and all, he was scared witless .

I foolishly sold that car and regret it ever since .
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Old 12-13-2020, 08:52 PM
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O.K., you guys asked for it by talking not just about old Beetles but Typ III's too .

I'm one of those who loved the various Typ III's, carburetted as well as the D-Jet equipped ones .

I've owned too many to remember them all but my very favorite as my all original and rust free 1971 Fastback .

It has sun roof, AM/FM/SW radio and the automatic ~ being a VW Mechanic I knew how to tune it so it flew as VW intended .

One of my buddies said "typ III's with automatics are slugs" so I took him for a spirited ride down the Mulholland Highway, bias ply tires and all, he was scared witless .

I foolishly sold that car and regret it ever since .
That's fine by me so long as the moderator(s) don't mind. Maybe keep this towards the top and someone local will offer to come get the '79 parts.

I don't dislike the early Type 3s, just uncommon and now mostly owned by wealthy and pretentious people who think because they paid thousands to have it imported and have a massive stash of NOS parts (which will only sell at top dollar) that they have something only they have. I do have a soft spot for Type 3 Ghias, however, good luck affording one.

That 1971 Fastback certainly was special, hindsight is 20-20. I bet that was fun teaching him, especially as Type 3s are really fun to drive spirited. I miss driving those Southern California mountain drives, out here nothing close and doesn't seem to be all that many.
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Old 12-13-2020, 10:14 PM
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Air Cooled VW's

Even the early Beetles were quick (very different than fast) in their day, in 1954 VW introduced the 1192C.C. 36HP engine and it immediately began winning races in it's class around the world .

Read up on the Carrera Panamericana race in Mexico ~ the VW Dealer in Mexico City ran a bunch of them, they'd race pretty much bumper to bumper to slipstream...

Amazingly, I young man I know bought an original unmolested Formula Vee with the 40HP engine , 6 volts and all, never did a thing with it and abandoned it what he sold his hobby shop....

He knew I'd have loved it but he's never needed to work a day in his life so he doesn't care about others .

Oh, well .

The early typ III's had huge front drum brakes that worked very well indeed ~ the shoes would up being used on the back of Super Beetles in 1971 .

Pretty good engineering there .

The crappy elitist attitude is the same in any "collector" vehicle ~ in the 1960's I remember old guys acting like the stuff didn't stink because they had a 1928 'T' Model Ford...

Now it's kids with 23 window Typ II's ~ they have NO IDEA what they're talking about, I've crossed America in a stock 1963 # 241 DeLuxe graymarket Typ II with every possible option, towing an old Beetle behind it, using a stock single port 1500CC 60 HP engine, no sweat .

To - day's kiddies think it needs to be fully chromed out, slammed and a long trip is 50 miles .

Sigh .

I've still not looked at your build thread, I saved the link (I hope!) and will in due time .

If the moderator doesn't like this topic drift you can move it or begin anew in the off topic forum .

You can post photos and images there, I'm restricted and no one will tell me why .

I began a build thread in December 2020 about the 2001 Ford Ranger trucklet I bought 12.13 (! Friday) but since I can't post pictures no one has any interest .

I've been tinkering on it all year, it's very nice now .

I hope you begin a VW thread over there .
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I'm working to finish my projects 1) so I can enjoy them. I'm cheap and get good deals on things that need to be fixed then can't get around to fixing them. I gave myself a 2 yr deadline and extended it 1 year because I'm making progress. I'm also thankful that health and usually cash are not a problem. That said, I don't want to extend another year and have to hurry because selling would be painful but so are unfinished projects.

and 2) because I don't want my wife to have to deal with them. She has already promised to call 1 800 junk be gone. To even the threat, I told her that I'm hiding lots of cash in my junk and she has to go through it carefully or she will lose a fortune
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Old 12-15-2020, 09:43 PM
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I'm working to finish my projects 1) so I can enjoy them. I'm cheap and get good deals on things that need to be fixed then can't get around to fixing them. I gave myself a 2 yr deadline and extended it 1 year because I'm making progress. I'm also thankful that health and usually cash are not a problem. That said, I don't want to extend another year and have to hurry because selling would be painful but so are unfinished projects.

and 2) because I don't want my wife to have to deal with them. She has already promised to call 1 800 junk be gone. To even the threat, I told her that I'm hiding lots of cash in my junk and she has to go through it carefully or she will lose a fortune
Have you ever watched American Pickers? They have the coolest job in the world but they flip everything they sell. The things they come across in a dead mans barn is both amazing and sad but they do a pretty good job underling the importance and personal significance to collecting. They just don’t get attached.
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I'm working to finish my projects 1) so I can enjoy them. I'm cheap and get good deals on things that need to be fixed then can't get around to fixing them. I gave myself a 2 yr deadline and extended it 1 year because I'm making progress. I'm also thankful that health and usually cash are not a problem. That said, I don't want to extend another year and have to hurry because selling would be painful but so are unfinished projects.

and 2) because I don't want my wife to have to deal with them. She has already promised to call 1 800 junk be gone. To even the threat, I told her that I'm hiding lots of cash in my junk and she has to go through it carefully or she will lose a fortune
Great advice to set a reasonable deadline, in that if progress is being made, can be extended. I will have to try this, I loathe deadlines, however, now see a great benefit and can be adjusted.

Too funny about saying the stuff needs to be gone though to find money.

By the way, sent a reply to your email.
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@Adriel, the deadline for fixed or sold seemed like it would fix the problem. Jury is still out. Trying to decide between working on cars or building a shop. Shop postpones working but I've always wanted a lift and could theoretically move back to the country (likely by myself) and work better with a shop.It will be really hard to sell some stuff but that may be best. September is the deadline but only the boat costs money just sitting in the slip. Everything else sits and possibly rusts but doesn't eat dollars.

I'm considering hiring a contractor to replace the tin but am already leery because contractors generally want to slap it and go. This house isn't built normal and I want the damned thing fixed the way I want it.

There are 3 distinct completely independent roof sections and the contractor's approach is to strip all of the existing tin, then remove the old slats, then install all of the plywood, then the paper, then the new tin. This leaves the house exposed to the weather unnecessarily.

My approach would be to complete an entire section then move to the next. Having a contractor would help speed things along and there is one section that I'm not willing to climb onto. The decision will probably be determined by labor price and my gut feeling after talking more. I'll definitely have to be there during the process.
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