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Old 01-27-2024, 10:28 AM
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W123 Ate/Teves rear brake calipers

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Our host used to market a rear brake caliper that is no longer available. They don't mention who the manufacturer was, only that rebuild kits are NLA.
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/1234200683.htm?pn=123-420-06-83-MBZ&bc=c&SVSVSI=2371

They also list an Ate/Teves caliper for half the price of what they were selling the original for.
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/1234200683.htm?pn=123-420-06-83-M4&bc=c&SVSVSI=2371

What's the story here? Does anyone know if the caliper pistons are the same diameter? Are there any compatibility issues that one needs to know about?

Last, did Ate calipers ever come from the factory on the rear of a W123? I'm thinking that perhaps they used only Girling or Bendix. I have a '84 which might have Girling rear calipers on it. FWIW, I already have Ate replacement calipers on the front.

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Old 01-27-2024, 09:14 PM
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1) W123 wagon [TE/TD] rear calipers have 42mm pistons. All other 107/114/115/116/123/126 rear calipers have 38mm pistons.

2) Ate, Bendix, & Girling calipers were used in mixed production across most of the model lines, and are interchangeable within piston diameters and brake hose connections.

3) "Mercedes-Benz Original" calipers are from one of the three manufacturers, re-boxed, and doubled in price.
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Old 01-30-2024, 02:04 AM
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Frank said it best.
If I were you, I’d just get some remanufactured calipers for $40-ish a side and install them. I’ve installed many, and have had zero problems.
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Old 01-30-2024, 02:35 PM
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1) W123 wagon [TE/TD] rear calipers have 42mm pistons. All other 107/114/115/116/123/126 rear calipers have 38mm pistons.

2) Ate, Bendix, & Girling calipers were used in mixed production across most of the model lines, and are interchangeable within piston diameters and brake hose connections.

3) "Mercedes-Benz Original" calipers are from one of the three manufacturers, re-boxed, and doubled in price.
Thanks Frank! Very helpful.
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Frank said it best.
If I were you, I’d just get some remanufactured calipers for $40-ish a side and install them. I’ve installed many, and have had zero problems.
Thanks! Where do you buy yours from?
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Old 01-30-2024, 08:15 PM
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Let’s just say… it rhymes with Garts Peek.
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Old 01-30-2024, 09:11 PM
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Let’s just say… it rhymes with Garts Peek.
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Old 02-04-2024, 10:33 PM
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I have not looked in a long time, but Centric Bake parts used to have rebuild kits for Mercedes. I have Centric kits in the Mercedes and my Chevrolets.
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Old 02-10-2024, 09:33 AM
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Frenkit caliper parts are the ones I’ve used. Looks like 238928 is the model for all three brands with the 38mm piston.






The piston does need to be in a specific orientation relative to the caliper. The FSM highlights that requirement.
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Old 02-14-2024, 06:23 PM
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Post TD Brake Calipers

After taking well over three months to get the correct rear calipers for my late 300TD I saved all the spare calipers and tried to give them away to rebuilders who claimed they couldn't get cores or others here, NOT ONE wanted them so out into the scrap bin they all went, some were still in VGC working with no leaks .
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Old 02-15-2024, 12:08 AM
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After taking well over three months to get the correct rear calipers for my late 300TD I saved all the spare calipers and tried to give them away to rebuilders who claimed they couldn't get cores or others here, NOT ONE wanted them so out into the scrap bin they all went, some were still in VGC working with no leaks .
I probably would have taken some if I knew.

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