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Old 08-31-2002, 10:13 PM
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Unhappy 240D Timing continued

I seem to be rather stuck here. In an earlier post I said that I had pulled the head and wound up just having it magnafluxed, cleaned up and new valve stem seals. While the head was off we replaced the timing chain and cam including towers and rockers, all from the U pick. I wound up pulling the IP and now I can get NO delivery (using the Easley method). IP is installed when timing mark is at 24 degrees BTDS, that puts the mark on the cam "coming up to the "noch". All the injector pipes are off the pump. I pump the pump more, make sure all fittings are tight. I have pumped the priming pump a bunch and I rotate the engine and I get no fuel out of #1 when I get to 24 degrees or anyplace on the rotation. There seems to be plenty of fuel as it runs out like crazy when I disconnect the fittings. I must be missing something here. I even tried another IP, same thing, seems like I am not getting enough fuel into the IP? AArrrr think I will have a brew and shower. Any Ideas would be appreciated muchly

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Old 08-31-2002, 10:34 PM
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Did you remove the spring valve under the #1 injector line fitting on the IP?
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Stevo Are you sure that it's not 180 out . I had the same problem one time and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. That's what I had wrong.

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Old 08-31-2002, 11:28 PM
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brandoncrone

No I didnt remove anything. Dont think thats what you are spoz to do according to Easley.

MBjoe I dont think I am 180 out, Cam marks are coming up and would be right on when crank reaches TDC, that should be right, No?
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Old 09-01-2002, 12:02 AM
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Actually the problem is No fuel at all when I rotate the engine.
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OK Stevo Lets summarize what we have right : or wrong

When you installed the chain you had the crank balancer mark on 0 and the cam gear and bearing tower mark on 0 on the compression stroke.

When you installed the injection pump you lined up the mark on the IP before you installed it.


X When you pump up the pressure with the hand pump , you don't get any fuel coming from the # 1 at 24o BTDC . on the compression stroke

X You have fuel in the which lines , the ones from the fuel filter and fuel pump or the injector pipes or all.

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Old 09-01-2002, 01:11 AM
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Ya, the chain should be squared away with the crank, lobes are where they should be at TDC so I dont think that could be 180 out and the only other thing is the IP in the right time, right?

When I pump up the pressure all seems ok but nothing comes out when I rotate the engine and there seems to be fuel in all lines, there are no high pressure lines on the IP. hope this is clear Thanks
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Old 09-01-2002, 01:40 AM
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OH yes I did line up the marks on the IP before I installed it with the timing marks at 24 degrees.
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Stevo,

Did you take off the injection pump outlet fuel line to see if fuel comes out when you pump the hand pump?

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See Brandon's previous post - there is a check valve and/or spring under the number 1 injection port on the pump that must be removed before you can use the drip timing method. Do you have an engine manual? There are several other slight variations in the procedure depending on what year can you have. I think most of the variations are based upon wether the car is equipped with a mechanical governor or the earlier venturi governor.
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I have not taken off the pump outlet, will try that, of course, should have thought of that. the pump is not getting filled with fuel. I do have the manual but not a drip tube thats why I am using this "Easley method" which requires that you don't take the valve out. Actually I did take the valve out as discribed in the manual just to see if any fuel would show up except I didn't have the tube. NO fuel is being pumped through the pump no matter which timing method I use and I have a feeling I am doing or not doing something really dumb. After breckfast I will attack the problem with a full stomach and see if fuel is coming out. Thanks all for the advice. Hope your having a good day, I'll keep you posted
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Stevo,

You had 4 drip tubes available for free,and you didn't take advantage. There should have been 4 injector lines on that engine you took apart at the breaker yard. You take an ingector line and cut off all but a few inches of pipe starting from the end that goes on the IP. You make your own drip tube. I am confused about one thing. You said you put a used head,chain, rockers,etc on. I can see a used head or rockers but why a used chain? You already had a used chain. A new chain is the only way to go.

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If no fuel is coming out of the IP outlet, check to see if fuel is getting to the inlet of the IP if you haven't done this.

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Old 09-01-2002, 12:52 PM
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The pump is pumping fuel TO the IP and as far as the drip tube thing both methods work. I think the drip tube method is more excepted and more accurate and the one used in the manual but thats not the point, fuel is not coming out the valves weather I have a drip tube attached to it or not.

Peter.. Sorry for the confussion. The only thing I got at the "U pick was the cam, rockers and towers. The reason we pulled the head is after I cleaned the engine I could see very tiny bubbles coming out between the head and block near #1. I mean, VERY tiny and barley vissable. When we pulled the head I could see no sign of any problem so I had the head magnafluxed just to be sure, checked the guides, cleaned up the valves and installed new seals. Seemed like a good time to replace the chain and all went quite well except for the fact IT WONT START AAARRR After breckfast and some family stuff I'll hit it again Thanks again all for your replys. And I will make a drip tube next time I go to the U pick but I dont think the tube would make any differance at this point.
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Stevo Do you have the throttle locked in full load postion

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