Wow, If that example won't convince people this is not for their car... then Nothing will....

hehehehehe.... oh boy, I just gotta comment here. There are a few systems that inject water right into the turbo intake (non-intercooled diesels). The purpose is to lower EGT's. Primarily used by the RV/heavy towing crowd, the systems have had dubious results. Some appear to work, others don't. They don't seem to cause any harm though.... Bottom line is that the volume and method of delivery is likely more important. The water is introduced to the intake as a fine mist or very thin stream, under pressure, and at pulling rpms under load. Doubtful there is any chance of pooling at mid-high rpms/max boost. Dubious benefit of the steam created by this or the cleaning value but it is being done. RT

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Hello rwthomas1
Gad; those things, I have removed many, once the owner awoke to the fact they did nothing but separate him from his money.
I had one customer; drove Buffalo NY to Charlotte NC every week, the device held 1.5 quarts of water, he refilled it once a year, took me three visits to convince him of the fraud.

All the ones I have removed have one thing in common, the mist would not qualify as a light fog, as the makers know it does not work and will never allow enough mist to be noticed by even a finicky engine, they do not want to ever pay for even one engine.

Another total fraud:
They also sell loop magnets that go on the fuel lines; the fraudulent claim is 7 to 18 mile per gallon fuel economy improvement, another total fraud.

Here are some GP Reamer pics:

glow plug reamer - pic

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WHEN THINKING OF GLOWPLUG REAMERS..... ALWAYS THINK ' GREASE ' ALSO....

The factory shop manual says to place GREASE on the threads before using the reamer .

The reamer is also mandatory use when the head has been surfaced ( because the precombustion chambers may have been shimmed ( properly ) so as to not hit the piston with the thinner head.... thus the hole from the glowplugs into the precombustion chamber must be made to align again.

This is standard shop practice with reamers and drills anytime one needs to minimize the dropping of harmful substances into hard to clean areas...

Ok, time for pop quiz :

When you are starting to use a reamer you should think about what with it ?

A. Bat Guano
B. Bannana peel
C. Blood pudding
D. Water
E. Any Meat in your Lunch box
F. Grease

OK, so where do you get a glow plug reamer? I have a hard time starting when the temps are in the 20's or below & I'd like to do everything I can to correct this. I just called a local parts store & they can't get it. I didn't see it on fastlane either.

Thanks!

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E: I have SPAM in my lunchbox. Better than any grease on the market. Will outlast them all, performs well at high temps, and never goes away.
Just don't leave any on metal. Will rot even stainless.

whunter,
There was one water injector system that used quality parts. I think it was made by Performance Diesel in Vancouver? Used a Shuflo pump, boost pressure switches to actuate system and a modified Nos nozzle to spray. Full tilt it would use 12 gallons in a matter of hours...... It was designed with the RV crowd in mind, access to lots of water and space to carry it. I'm not advocating the efficacy of water injection just pointing out that some serious systems were available and I wasn't talking about the "windshield washer bottle" types. RT

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RT, those systems were also designed for a different purpose than the tangent we got off on with Whunter's post... and may have done a fine job at what they were designed to accomplish....... In gasoline engines Gasoline is also used to cool the mixture.... as backwards as that may seem at first glance....

Hello rwthomas1
I thought you where referring to diesel application or the cheap washer bottle units.
I had forgotten there where any quality units engineered for gasoline application.
Drat; now I am curious, must do some in-depth research on gasoline applications.
Thank you for the information.
Have a great day.

The high quality units are ones which spray the water in under high pressure and use an injector of some sort, this will create enough mist rather than just droplets. The system is triggered by a pressure sensor somewhere in the intake that says after this much boost is hit go ahead and inject the water. The only quality unit I can think of off hand is the Spearco unit.

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I can quite assure you all that the system I am talking about was for DIESEL use. I didn't mean to sidetrack this post, just trying to clarify a point. RT

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Hello Everyone
The only quality diesel vehicle water injectors that I recall are for brake systems on heavy trucks.
I do not dispute that they exist.
Personally; I would not allow the system on my vehicles.
I do thank you all for stirring my curiosity to a boil, now for the research.
Thank you and have a happy new year.

Remember this thread?

I think the water treatment works well on gas engines, but I haven't had the need to do it since Volvo went with fuel injecton. I don't think it's a good idea for diesels.

Yikes, I just looked at the date!