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Phillytwotank 11-04-2014 10:57 PM
Right on. Sounds pretty cool. I'd try one.

greazzer 11-05-2014 07:41 AM
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/234609-fuel-pressure-relief-valve-adjustment.html

Some related info on the most recent commentary

volker407 11-05-2014 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Phillytwotank (Post 3403882)
Did you have any measurements of fuel pressure with this vs. a normal 27mm spring?
I did some pretesting with the valve a while ago.
My stock fuel pressure with OM617 Turbo engine was ~15psi. With the valve from Greazzer it did not fall below ~36psi....! http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/...es/biggrin.gif

Gruß
Volker

Diesel911 11-05-2014 09:34 PM
More than 1.5 Years ago Funola was selling an Overflow/Pressure Relief Valve that was Adjustable.

oldsinner111 11-06-2014 07:49 AM
I hope you have one next month,I'm on a fixed income,and can't afford this month.

Peterac 11-06-2014 07:54 AM
Hi Greazzer,

I'll take one.

Peter

OM617YOTA 12-03-2014 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by greazzer (Post 3403787)
As a follow-up to more questions I received:

Yes, it works also on OM603 and OM606 engines. It works on N/A as well, but I suggest its application with turbo engines.

The spring is stainless spring steel, calculated for the Mercedes engines and fatigue tested.

With the spring (actually rebuilt valve) a turbo engine will get more fuel/power without modding the pump on a bench. (It works on a NA engine as well, but as I indicated, the most gains are felt on a turbo engine).
What was involved in the fatigue testing? I'm envisioning hooking up to a jig with a cam or actuator to compress the spring a couple million times while measuring the spring pressure and length at regular intervals.

I'm in the market for a replacement, found my oem(?) spring in two separate pieces.......

rocky raccoon 12-03-2014 10:58 AM
Have you
 
quantified the effect on fuel economy?

OM616 12-03-2014 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by volker407 (Post 3404265)
I did some pretesting with the valve a while ago.
My stock fuel pressure with OM617 Turbo engine was ~15psi. With the valve from Greazzer it did not fall below ~36psi....! http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/...es/biggrin.gif

Gruß
Volker
At that pressure with the stock pump spring, how much by pass fuel are you seeing?

OM617YOTA 12-03-2014 02:12 PM
The lift pump is a positive displacement pump, it will bypass exactly the same volume of fuel that it did at 15psi, just maintain a higher pressure in the fuel gallery of the IP.

Cloudsurfer 12-03-2014 02:59 PM
What about for OM606 Turbo engines?

greazzer 12-03-2014 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer (Post 3415114)
What about for OM606 Turbo engines?
Yes Sir.

volker407 12-03-2014 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OM617YOTA (Post 3414965)
What was involved in the fatigue testing? I'm envisioning hooking up to a jig with a cam or actuator to compress the spring a couple million times while measuring the spring pressure and length at regular intervals.

I'm in the market for a replacement, found my oem(?) spring in two separate pieces.......
The company that manufactures the spring did the testing you describe after calculating the specification.

Still your original spring or any other spring is not to blame after 30 years of hard work :D and several billion cycles ....


Gruß
Volker

Cloudsurfer 12-04-2014 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by greazzer (Post 3415159)
Yes Sir.
Have to say I'm certainly interested then :)

OM616 12-04-2014 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OM617YOTA (Post 3415094)
The lift pump is a positive displacement pump, it will bypass exactly the same volume of fuel that it did at 15psi, just maintain a higher pressure in the fuel gallery of the IP.
Yes it is a positive displacement pump, BUT, it is the piston return spring that generates the pressure, the cam only moves the piston back, compressing the spring, (actually when the piston goes back, it transfers the fuel on the outboard side of the piston to the inboard side of the piston), and the spring tries to move the piston back (drawing in fuel on the outboard side, and pushes against the fuel creating pressure on the inboard side. If the fuel is able to flow freely then no pressure. If you dead head the pump output line then the fuel pressure will be what ever the pump spring tension is.

As I recall, the pump on a NA will generate just above 15 psi dead headed, and a dead headed turbo pump will generate just over 30psi. I installed a stronger pump spring in my pumps and am running 30/36 psi with a good amount of bypass fuel.


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