Originally Posted by aka$h (Post 1566419)

Ive no expirence of the brabus M104, but I know 2 guys in the UK that have had the 3.6 m103 brabus engine and I can only say its unreliable to say the least. One of them has had the head rebuilt 3 times in less than 1000miles.

Originally Posted by Brabus 3.6-24 (Post 1566400)

I have seen there site already:) but not that impresed of the layout and setup of the site that lookes a bit nooby, but that ok i guess since that not equal to the things they do.
as I said before i think there kit is a great bolt on system.
And i agree with the manifold casted is the best way, and not the costom welded.
But the last link you posted, ? i see a mercedes dealer but nothing about the TT ? why did they stop suplying kit´s ?

Originally Posted by RBYCC (Post 1566499)

They stopped supplying kits because MB stopped making the M103/M104 engines !!!

I ment why did TT stop making kits
Thats the lames reson i have ever heard to day.
It didn´t kept BRABUS, AMG, Calsson etc stop making new kit´s because the w124 erea ended!!!
So the reson still remains a mysteri, why TT stoped making performance kit to Cars in general, mercedes was not the only one they made a Kit for, so telling me they stoped because a single brand was disapering is not right.

Remember that not too long after the end of production of the W124, Mercedes purchased AMG.
You could buy direct from MB the C36 and later the C43 in the W202 Chassis.
Merc then went on to supply supercharged vehicles in the next generations.

My BRASBUS is ordered directly from the German Mercedes dealer as well in 1991 WITH the BRABUS conversion and i have the order to prove it, so i don´t see where your going with this history witch i am full aware of??? (im a pioneer to my friend so just relax)

So you judge a company by it's website?
Turbotechnics probably has many more employees and facility then your Swedish expert.
One is a real corporation the other a one man shop.

Did i juge the company by it´s site??? read again (pioneer) you are a pioneer and still miss so many details when reading???
I only wondered why such a huge "company" with there big reputation, hassent got the time/money or what ever the reson to make a "presentable website" but i was not juging them by it as i said it was poperbly not comparable to what they "do" or "make" there goes your comparison

$18K is a great deal of money for a "unknown" conversion, which in reality is a home made "bolt on" kit of lesser quality then the two known Merc turbo kit suppliers.

18K is great deal of money and it fits to what it cost to make a conversion lige that. As i already wrote erlier: this TT kit was properply a good value kit. and yes the parts like manifold intake and outtake is better, the rest is deffently better parts from the Turbobanditten including pistons as well.
And this TT kit isn´t realy so much of a "bolt on kit" with the rods changing and all.
The Swedish "one man show" your talking about is acturly 3 persons if you had the time to read there site properply:rolleyes: (they are all pioneers like us)

You don't understand as you live in a very small world that the names Mosselman and Turbotechnics were there as tuners with the intro of the W124 in the late eighties.

I understand that and thats all glorious together with the ABC-Exclusive at the time also and 1000SEC´s (i to love thouse years), but get real the time and the quality has long time been out performed with to days technics. that was all i was trying to tell.
Why would you go with 20 years old technics TO DAY well knowing todays technics is much better

Learn the history of the marque and you'll appreciate the pioneers that produced a quality product not something that looks like it belongs on a Honda.

You are stuck in time my friend, i have great respect of the days back then tuners, but standing here to day with todays opotunity and technics, i was just amazed that you would go with this old (respective Kit) but i would to for the money to pay (i agree on that)

Most Merc owners are not of the "Fast and Furious" mentality.
I bought my 1988 300CE new in May of 1988, had 63K miles when I turbocharged it.
The sticker price in 1988 was $53K +, second only to the SEC as most expensive Merc.

If you look at my BRABUS so tell me if you see enything "fast and the Furious mentalaty there :-)
I to are a huge hater of the toy looking honda show now a days.
But you still can´t make the mecanics in that category, it is something you call the looks of the car, not the engine or technics.
That would be the same to call a custom harly davidson for a Fast and the Furious looking mod bike ??? wrong.

I own a AMG C43, AMG G55, and a C6 Corvette.
I must say that the twin turbo W124 with suspension mods is my favorite driver.
Classic look, contemporary performance, docile in traffic.

There goes our pioneer of the 80ies having mostly cars from the late 90ies and next melenium.
if you se my car corlection i think you would think twies before saying ennything regarding my knolage to the mercs of the 80ies
Yes just look it wont hurt you:
And i also have an 500SE 86 and a older 280SE 76 witch are not on my site.
the to Charades you se are the Winter cars, because i don´t drive my mercs here in Denmark with all that salt they spry at the roads in the winter time

How about "they do it for profit"...basic tenet of capitalism, you find a niche and benefit from your ability.

Right i guess there niche was not to meet the demands of the days back then in this tuners race

AMG is part of MB, the others are still independent companies that depend on franchised dealers to install their "kits".
So what's the difference?

Originally Posted by Brabus 3.6-24 (Post 1566576)

No difference thats my point but the TT was not and where never as populare as the others, not saying there kit therefore was crap, but i makes you wonder what then made the TT go down with there kits?

Originally Posted by jfilipcic (Post 1567001)

THATS IT! Everyone throw their twin turbo kits in the garbage because Brabus3.6-24 says they're crap! I'll come back to visiting this thread when it gets back to discussing the installation and the performance of the twin turbo kit and not the rantings of a 12 year old.

Originally Posted by RBYCC (Post 1567035)

Time to back up your incessant ramblings...
How many installs has your swedish "expert' completed?

If you would take a look at there site you would se, a lot of the cars (they 3 people) have done (but hey i don´t care because whats matter to is the power they are getting out of the machines compared to the thin arm spagheti whiney 100 ekstra HP you are getting out of 2 turboes???)

How long have they been in service?

For some time now, but compared to the TT yes they are "new in yor little world, where everyone that hasen´t got 30 years of wxperience is a noob"
TT they did also started up one day right?

How many miles have they covered?

Have you considerate that maybe that isn´t the goal here to cover up the intire worlds roads with your poor ekstra 100 HP???, or could it just be that mybee tha goal is to get the "power" to a higher level - (that is the point with a turbo conversion if you don´t mind me pointing that out to you)

Post the dyno results.

Again only a blind mand could oversee that on the site.
If you don´t mind. I don´t feel for your needs to get the information served to you in form of a stupid "i want proff game"
Im a groven up not a kid!

Post the performance results using track or accelerometer numbers.

I think you are way to naive if you think all there experience is coming by throwing it all on, and then just go for a test ride in the mountain roads.
again im realy so bored with your litle game.

Post the magazine articles that featured his installs.

What? to prof what and for who?
I still don´t care if such a thin exist or not, it´s of no interest in my world how many magazines and motor shows they have been in.

I can and have provided all of the above for the TT and Mosselman installs. :D

I guess that makes your TT kit blow an ekstra 100 HP in your pants then ;)

I looked at your "expert's" posts and see he has problems with the engine, burning a rod bearing, and losing the trans.:eek:

Again did it acure to you that the point of his adventure is to find out the limits and push the limits further??? (im beginning to completly think you don´t know what a true pioneer realy is all about???)
thats where experience and know haw is built up if you don´t know.

Easy to claim a "million horsepower" and post a video that would make any "ricer" proud. :wacky:

Gee you can´t stop raving about your litle Ricer inside your head.
I agreee that all the videos are a little to show of instead of some good material you could use to get an idea of what his work is all about.
But again, who does that? i don´t see BRABUS, AMG TT or eny other making videos of there crusade.

If you can't backup your claims with hard facts, then time for you to wake up !!! :)

Originally Posted by jfilipcic (Post 1567001)

THATS IT! Everyone throw their twin turbo kits in the garbage because Brabus3.6-24 says they're crap! I'll come back to visiting this thread when it gets back to discussing the installation and the performance of the twin turbo kit and not the rantings of a 12 year old.

Originally Posted by e320_Coupe (Post 1568177)

"Add Brabus 3.6-24 to Your Ignore List" - Done.

Originally Posted by Brabus 3.6-24 (Post 1567716)

So did i realy call it crap?
Where did i do that?
And can you tell me why all the 12 years old kits in here are more interested in throwing sand at me insted of answering some of my questions?
Like my post 136 and 139?
No one answers my questions about the TT kit and how it would work with the M104 i got and wether there is a problem with the head gaskets.
instead i got smashed with spam about how true you have to be at the brand mercedes and not go for the Tuner i found in Sweden??? what is that all about - that is to act like a 12 years old if you ask me.
All i was saying was that i was not that amazed with the power the TT kit was getting out of the engine and i was told it was old stylish then people are just acting like kids that has got there candy taking from them.

Originally Posted by RBYCC (Post 1568185)

AGREE !!!!

Let's get back on thread as started by B.J. (Ortolan) from Australia.

I've completed the M103 install in the USA, some similarities in known difficiencies of the kits.

Let's continue to communicate and share as the end performance result is well worth it.

Great quality of hardware, some pluses compared to Mosselman, and an install quality and appearance that a Merc deserves !!! :)