How abt u drop the engine as is, i mean thats way more power and its a direct swap i guess. just find an AMG ecu, shouldn't be too hard.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

The 320 engine is already turbo charged and changing a cam is easier than an engine swap. The 3.6 will eventually be going into a 190E chassis. I'm tempted to just swap the cam and see but what do people think?

it should work, how are u controlling AFR?

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Split Second AIC

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God i really miss the power of boost, im just too scared to boost the 36AMG, i know i can use an AEM controller but still its a tricky engine for turbo setup.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Im making a new head for my M104 turbo.

There is old 300 24 head, and a 2.8 head in my garage table.

I see big difference in valve desing. New valves in ex side are lighter and 7mm, old ones are 8mm.
Single valvesprings are used in 2.8 both sides. Old head has dual springs fitted, maybe because it had more weight in parts. Inlet valve has more angle in backside.
Old engine uses 1 groove retainer lock, new lock has 3 grooves and differet angle.

Im going to flowbench in sunday whith my slightly ported 2.8 head, and im also measuring stock old head.

Tommi

Someone was wondering 320 low power deliwery at high rpm. Answer is in M104.pdf.

Intake runners as helmholz rezonator calculated using David Wizards "rule of thumb".



Numbers approx...

M103 pipe lenght 365mm Resonates at 5500rpm.
M104-24_______355mm___________6000rpm.
M104 320______470mm___________3700rpm.

(Now, when we know these facts we think why 320 max. power didnt DROP by this new set up. Thats because of dispacement and improvements in desing of 320/280 head.)

Summary: 200cc more displacement makes power lower rpm. and resonance also feeds lower rpm., thou long pipes makes poor power in high revs.
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Cool info!

Don't you mean "Vizard" instead "Wizard"

What are the numbers when the M104 320 is in "short runner" mode?
Regards, Eric

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89 300E "Benzer1" 15.924 Uncorrected
93 400E "Benzer3" 14.200 U.C.
95 E420 "Benzer4"
92 300E "Benzer5" 16.299 U.C. Future turbo CNG
87 300D "Benzer7"
87 300D "Benzer8"
87 300D "Benzer9"
87 300D/70 AMC Javelin "Sidewinder-Benzer"
87 300TD "Benzer11"
06 E320 CDI "Benzer12"
05 E320 CDI "Benzer12A"
71 AMC Javelin AMX 401 "Sidewinder"
74 AMC Hornet 401 "C.K.10" 13.63 U.C.
74 Bricklin SV1 "Presto" AMC 360 pwrd.

Eric,
In the 280/320 EFI M104 the resonance flap doesn't change the length of the runners like in the new V6/V8 intake manifold.
What i believe it does, is shift the resonance point from one RPM to another.
Which in turn is like having a longer and shorter runner.
I am positive that the system of the later V6/V8 engines is way more effective than what the M104 has.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

I think the flap kind of turns off the main resonance when it would suck air out of cylinder.

Wizard, vizard, visard...

M104-24 Piston damage.

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p142/kynsi/?action=view&current=Kuva0293.jpg&newest=1

521 hp @1.3bar dynoed, even more power were in use after dyno when 630cc injectors were 100% open at 3bar fuel pressure. M104 own head gasket lasted only one pull 98E fuel.

Funny thing is that cam were in wrong position allmost all the time. Maybe it is good thing cause it would go lean mixture whith better flow.
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kynsi, plz provide more details on that turbo setup
and btw the link is dead.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Link works in my PC?

-Old M104ce24v engine.
-Pistons machined -2mm from center. (5mm left as it was in sides.) Old pistonrings just re-honed cylinders.
- OM606 rod bearings
- 4plate special cluthplate (dont know what its called)
- megasguirt, HEI,+630cc injectors.
- Garrett GT47 74,5/88 + intercooler

And no other changes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5XNPyjRpGw&feature=channel

I also tryed twin svitzer s100 turbos, but it was poor set up + 4000rpm.

By the way, Jay you drive like a maniac. Stop that...

I know I'm late to this party, but I am building a 3.2 to go in a track car.

Is there any benefit to running a metal M103 intake manifold because of its shorter runners? Would this make more hp at higher rpm than the regular plastic intake?

Does the M103 manifold bolt straight onto a '95 E320 M104 head?

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David Hendy
'97 Renntech E60RS
'97 GMC 2500 Sub' Diesel
'95 E300D
'88 300TE
'88 250TD
'84 L/Rover 109

In NA engine I would just cut plastic manifold in resonance lenght, and custom made plenum added whith 6pcs rubberhoses and big flap.
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