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11-06-2002, 06:45 AM
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Titanium brake heat shields...group buy, anyone?
I was looking for ways to cool my brakes after overheating my brake fluid at the track. During my research I came across the use of titanium caliper pistons (as used in Brembos and others' top brake kits) which shields the brake fluid from heat transfer from the pads (titanium has a low propensity to transfer heat). Then I came across a website which sells titanium brake heat shields (basically a shim made in titanium in the shape of a brake pad) which goes between the brakepads and the calipers (textars come with them but in steel I believe). Unfortunately, the company only makes these heat shields for Porsche and Ferrari applications.
I emailed them asking about making these for E500/500E applications. They emailed me back saying that they are willing to do a run for our cars but the minimum order is for 7 axle pairs. The text of the reply is quoted below: Quote:
Here are the relevant pages on their website: http://www.seinesystems.com/TiBrake-Home.htm http://www.seinesystems.com/BrakeFade.htm http://www.seinesystems.com/BrakeFade-2.htm And here are pics of the heat shield:   (I'm in no way, shape or form affiliated with these people...it'a just that there's a minimum order to get this product at a decent price.) Cheers!
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11-07-2002, 01:43 AM
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Pricing for the front are $80/set (total of 4 shields).
Still getting pricing for the rear. Anybody else? Need 4-5 more for the fronts and 6 more for the rears.
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Rainmaker 93 500E, 43k mi, Pics of upgrade parts Evo II Wheels on Dunlop FM901 235/45x17s 94 Facelift RennTech CF Airbox RennTech ASR Defeat RennTech Chip 1st Gear Start 97 Range Rover 4.6 HSE Vitesse, Yellow, "Tonka" (sold)
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11-07-2002, 09:07 PM
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I think fresh fluid & track pads would do the trick, no?
Sounds like a good idea for a heavily tracked car...gotta talk to an engineer about this, though (Lou Nielsen, got anything to say on this?)
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11-07-2002, 10:52 PM
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was thinking it would be neater and quicker than brake cooling ducts...or both for good measure!
The logic seems to be there...titanium caliper pistons vs titanium heat shields. The only possible flaws I can see in this are: (1) if the pad/rotor somehow still heats the caliper even with the heat shields via another contact point then the caliper would now still heat the pistons but maybe to a lesser degree or (2) on the opposite end of the spectrum, the heat shields perform so well that the caliper is unable to help cool the discs (due to less mass dissipating heat) Yeah, i'd want to hear others from an engineering stand point. Cheers!
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Rainmaker 93 500E, 43k mi, Pics of upgrade parts Evo II Wheels on Dunlop FM901 235/45x17s 94 Facelift RennTech CF Airbox RennTech ASR Defeat RennTech Chip 1st Gear Start 97 Range Rover 4.6 HSE Vitesse, Yellow, "Tonka" (sold)
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#6
11-08-2002, 01:44 PM
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The titanium or ceramic heat shields as well as titanium pistons are used to prevent the boiling of the fluid in the caliper. I've never had a problem boiling the fluid with the 500E. I did experience this with my 87 300E. I solved that with brake cooling. The heat shields or ceramic backed pads will not improve braking performance - only help to prevent the fluid from boiling.
Brake cooling will improve brake performance, prevent fluid boiling, and especially pad and rotor life under extreme conditions. I don't believe that the heat shields really will offer any substantial benefit. The best source for a definitive answer would be Alcon.
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02-09-2003, 02:40 AM
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Are you still going to do this?
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Current Stable: 1994 S500 v140, 210k miles, white with grey. Former Mercedes in the Stable: 1983 300CD Turbo diesel 515k mi sold (rumor has it, that it has 750k miles on it now) 1984 300CD Turbo Diesel 150 k mi sold 1982 300D Turbo Diesel 225 sold 1987 300D Turbo Diesel 255k mi sold 1988 300 CE AMG Hammer 15k mi sold 1986 "300E" Amg Hammer 88k mi sold (it was really a 200, not even an E (124.020) 1992 500E 156k mi sold etc.
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02-09-2003, 10:34 PM
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I'm willing to try it out, but...
1) There aren't enogh people who signified interest to get it rolling 2) I'm in NY right now and will be here for around a year (live in Manila) so it's not quite a priority 3) Please note that these are brake model specific. I noticed the vehicle on your sig isn't a 500E so it's a different application. Cheers!
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Rainmaker 93 500E, 43k mi, Pics of upgrade parts Evo II Wheels on Dunlop FM901 235/45x17s 94 Facelift RennTech CF Airbox RennTech ASR Defeat RennTech Chip 1st Gear Start 97 Range Rover 4.6 HSE Vitesse, Yellow, "Tonka" (sold)
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02-09-2003, 10:37 PM
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I wanted to put them on SL600 Rear brakes, and SL500 front brakes which are on my 300E.
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Current Stable: 1994 S500 v140, 210k miles, white with grey. Former Mercedes in the Stable: 1983 300CD Turbo diesel 515k mi sold (rumor has it, that it has 750k miles on it now) 1984 300CD Turbo Diesel 150 k mi sold 1982 300D Turbo Diesel 225 sold 1987 300D Turbo Diesel 255k mi sold 1988 300 CE AMG Hammer 15k mi sold 1986 "300E" Amg Hammer 88k mi sold (it was really a 200, not even an E (124.020) 1992 500E 156k mi sold etc.
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02-10-2003, 01:30 AM
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well thats me (austin), scott, and you ricky.
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Current Stable: 1994 S500 v140, 210k miles, white with grey. Former Mercedes in the Stable: 1983 300CD Turbo diesel 515k mi sold (rumor has it, that it has 750k miles on it now) 1984 300CD Turbo Diesel 150 k mi sold 1982 300D Turbo Diesel 225 sold 1987 300D Turbo Diesel 255k mi sold 1988 300 CE AMG Hammer 15k mi sold 1986 "300E" Amg Hammer 88k mi sold (it was really a 200, not even an E (124.020) 1992 500E 156k mi sold etc.
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02-10-2003, 03:11 AM
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From the email he got from the company it looks like seven axle pairs. Scott does your 500E have the same rear brake pads as an SL600? What about SL500 vs your 500E pads front?
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Current Stable: 1994 S500 v140, 210k miles, white with grey. Former Mercedes in the Stable: 1983 300CD Turbo diesel 515k mi sold (rumor has it, that it has 750k miles on it now) 1984 300CD Turbo Diesel 150 k mi sold 1982 300D Turbo Diesel 225 sold 1987 300D Turbo Diesel 255k mi sold 1988 300 CE AMG Hammer 15k mi sold 1986 "300E" Amg Hammer 88k mi sold (it was really a 200, not even an E (124.020) 1992 500E 156k mi sold etc.
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02-10-2003, 04:04 PM
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there is a company in Los Angeles, called Harvey Titanium. they are in Santa Monica.
Might try giving them a call to see if they can make them too. Might be worthwhile to find other companies that deal with titanium. My dad knows the former president of the company, Barry Harvey. I can request that he give barry a call and see if he can maybe get these made up for you guys. I would probably need a regular shim as a template. Let me know, I would be willing to check into this for you guys, who knows, I may be able to save ya guys some money on it too. Alon
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