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Same Problem in model 2001
Hi Jfreezn,
Thank you for your time you took to post such a comprehensive troubleshooting guide. I have a similar problem with my ML 320, model 2001. The three lights BAS ESP, ETS and ABS appear and today I felt some problem with the application of brakes too. The different thing is that these three lights are not ALWAYS on, sometimes they disappear and most of the times these remain switched on. What does that mean? does that indicate that the problem is with switching of K25 relay or something big? Waiting for your kind reply ! Thanks Khurram |
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Now all the BAS Esp and ABS lights are permanently on - I have checked the K6, K25 relays and the brake light switches. These work perfectly fine. Will do the next procedure as directed by the forum
There is one thing bothering me. I got the new brake pads fitted some 2 months back. Can the problem be related to that? Could the mechanic have done something to disturb the circuit which caused these lights to switch on? Thanks and advance! |
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Hi there, this is our first post to the forum we stumbled upon it through another thread on another forum trying to fix another problem with our 2001 ML320.
We (well the husband part of the we!) cleaned up the brake switch and then we hauled it's sorry self to get some computer diagnosis which told us that indeed, the brake light was faulty but had been fixed, code was cleared but left us with the information that the ABS pump had failed... erggh.We also still had all three lights up too of course. We had quotes from AUD$1000 with ours traded in for a second hand one and AUD$1600 for a "reco" (plus freight- we live on a large island rather than mainland Australia). BUT! WAIT! I found Jim's fantastic blow by blow post about his repair and the husband-half pottered off and resoldered the joint and siliconed it up as per Jim's post...perfect! No more nasty lights for us! Thank you soooooo much Jim for providing such vaulable info- it is no only such a money saving but it was quicker for the husband-half to repair than it would have been to run around finding the parts! YAY! Thanks! JJ and Jess Last edited by Jessiebean; 03-20-2010 at 12:28 AM. |
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ABS/ETS Lights On
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This is amazing! My post from 8/31/06 is still active. I just had a request from Greece for my photos,(That's what brought me back to this forum) which have apparently been lost in the shuffle. Also heard from a guy in Canada, and see a positive comment from Australia. I will try to attach the pictures to this post. By the way, I haven't been to this site since 11/19/08, until today, is that about when they changed the name. I still have my 98 Ml (168,000 miles) and the ABS/ETS lights have never returned since my repair, almost 4 years ago! Finally, I see some private messages for me and I apologise for the lack of replies--I lost this site a couple years ago and they seem to have lost me as well, as I never got copies of any of these messages since then. Lets see if I can attach the 4 pictures. Jim in Phoenix |
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BAS/ESP Help!
Just joined! Interesting stuff. I'm dealing with a 99 ML 320. The BAS/ESP light only comes on when the car is moving...during start up and idle no light. Once you hit the road for a short distance here they come. Shut car down --restart -- no light. ESP/BAS only comes on whenth ecar in moving.
I was wondering, if anyone thinks the ABS cold solder fix described is what's in order here? Oh yeah already changed out the light switch. Thanks for the input! Mike ____________ 99' ML 320 01' ML 320 63' Impala SS 99' Yukon 4wd
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I just bought a 2000 ML430 ... BONUS, it came with all three lights already on. The purchase price was adjusted due to the lights.
I pulled the control module and soldered the joint for pin 15. All the lights are still on! The pump DOES NOT run with the the relay jumped!?!?!? The pump on the 2000 model year is slightly different than the '98 & '99. The motor on the hydro unit DOES NOT have the external two wire power feed. The feed goes the THROUGH valve block. I cleaned all the wheel speed sensors but have not done the steering lock-to-lock reset. I do not know if the brake light switch has been replaced. Questions: 1) Should the pump run when jumpered at the relay regardless of other problems? 2) Can the pump electric motor be removed from the hydraulic valve block without compromising the integrity of the non-ABS/EPS/BAS functions? Thanks Eddie Seattle, WA 2000 ML430 1999 ML430 |
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Update ...
The electric motor was removed from the pump and spun manually. The motor was connected directly to a 12V power source and it ran??? The motor was installed back onto the ABS Hydraulic Pump and the ABS control modual, the jumper was installed and THE PUMP RUNS! YAHOO! The relay was installed, the car was started and the ABS and EST lights DO NOT ILLUMINATE! YAHOO! But the BAS/ESP light is still on???? RATS! What's up? Does this need to be reset at the Dealer? Thanks Eddie |
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Jim, that was world class trouble shooting! 45 min. and I was so happy. ETS and ABS lights out at start up, no steering limit reset. I pulled the relay, did a jumper from the two large lugs, no key on, no pump run, but I had 12 volts connected. I pulled the drivers headlamp, removing the lower trim for the 2 X screws, jumped the motor at the 2 pin, my hot was a red wire, pump runs, circuit pulled, solderd, mine was end pins 8 and 15. Really cool. Note, on another matter, the heat is on all the time on my ML 320. I have verified the A/C control module, located behind the center dash, is maintaining 12 V to the "Hot" motor direction all of the time. The temp set dial (not climate control, or set by degrees, manual type) is inputing a change in resistance, but referencing + or -. Interior temp sensor is at 4,500 ohms. Dealer wants 275 US. I will try frys for replacement component, when I figure it out. Keep it posted as I find out. Again, a most excellant, and satisfying solution you have, Thanks again, mark
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I have a 2000 ML 320 and I recently had the BAS Control Module replaced b/c of this same problem, BAS, ABS, ETS lights coming on. It was a horrifically expensive repair, $3400. About a week after the repair, the lights came back on. I returned to Mercedes and they couldn't figure it out and, of course, the codes wouldn't come on for them. Several weeks later it started to happen more frequently. I took it to a friend who is a Lexus mechanic with a lot of German car experience as well. I left it with him and the pump ran continuously for at least 6 hours. He took the temp with an infrared thermometer and it was running at 302 degrees hours after I stopped driving. I took it back to Mercedes today. They are saying that the relay or release switch (not sure what they said) is sticking so they are replacing the release switch. My concern is this - if this fixes the issue, my friend said that the entire module should be replaced b/c it ran hot for so long. Thoughts? I have already spent a fortune on this issue and I can't say that I have a lot of faith in the dealership right now. By the way, the Lexus mechanic fully supports your advice about finding a mechanic (if you are not mechanically inclined yourself) who is wiling to take out the module and send it off for repair first. He said often it is resolved with a little soldering. Errrrrr. Things I wish I knew several weeks ago. Thanks for your fantastic thread. I only wish I had found it months ago.
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Ok, so I started this project today hoping to save lots of money but ran into a problem. Get the light with no issues, unscrew the module with no issue but when I go to take wire harness off (it comes off during the ramping as described) the blue part of the wire harness stays inside the module and the back part of it disconnects from it. This exposes the pins and such from the plug and when I do attempt to separate the blue part of the harness from the module it starts to crumble and break, Yikes! I follow the harness back and it appears to be hard wired to the fuse box. Her is the question, can you just get that part of wire harness and reconstruct? Thanks
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ABS & ETS lights- connector pin block
Charli411,
As I understand it, the 15 pin connector assembly block has begun to break apart on your ML. If this is the part you are talking about I can say that the same thing happened in my case too. After spending about an hour at the parts counter at the dealership near where I was working at the time, and working with a VERY helpful parts counter gentleman working the phones with MBUSA, he found the connector block part. I ordered one and it was perfect. The part number is 032 545 18 28. As I recall, it included the interior part where the 15 wire terminals plug in to the rear of the connector housing as well as the exterior "ramping shroud" which fits over it. I will look for the tool I made to remove the wire terminals from the block one at a time and private message you with the photo. That repair from January 2008 has been trouble free ever since. Hope this helps you. Ken
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ml 320 abs three lights are on
just giving my 10 cents here read these other posts and well i had all three abs related lights on ,on my dash....so i just went out and crawled underneath my 320 where the pump and motor are located behind the drivers headlight and just wiggled the 15 pin connector without even removing it just yet and sweet it worked.....and another thing to removing if you do so everything on mercedes are known to be torx bits internal and external which are metric which are not cheap as regular sockets and bits.....you can go to any auto parts store and by them mostly sold individualy.....also the cover over the 15 pin connector you wont break it off if you lay down underneath like i said before and just push the cover up it slides in place .....
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BAS ETS ABS LIGHTS ON Replaced brushes ABS motor
After reading the other post. I jumped the relay as suggested.The ABS motor did not respond.I took a hammer and tapped on the motor it started and the lights went out.The motor obviously needed brushes .So I removed the motor from the ABS unit.Only two torx screws hold it on.Be careful and try to leave the end cap bearing in the unit.If it comes out with the motor there is a torx plug on ether side of the pistons that can be removed to enable installation of motor.I took the motor to several auto electric shops before I found one that was willing to replace the brushes as they have to be hand cut.After re installing motor all lights are off.This is a better option than buying a used ABS unit that is likely to have worn brushes and likely to fail. Mercedes had scanned my vehicle before repairs and told me it needed an ABS unit and a ETS sensor which is also very expensive.Save yourself some money and do some trouble shooting.
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Kudos for Jim in Phoenix!
I acquired my '98 ML320 about 6 years ago. The ABS lamp lit sometime later, and the local MB dealer had "never seen this before", so used it sans ABS for years. I stumbled upon Jim's post, and being an electronics tech, thought I would check it out. The weather was 80f when I resoldered the pc board (2 wire connector). Two days later, even though the ABS light was off, I ran over some icy road to see if it REALLY worked. It did!
Thanks Jim! |
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2002 ML320 +- 25000km
My BAS ESP - one light only on the instrument cluster remains or stays on while driving. The only thing I did was change the headlight on the drivers side. Is it possible I may have disturbed the wring harness running to the ABS motor? Where about is the ABs motor in relation to what I did?Any advice woud be really great please? |
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