I see many offers for Xenon Gas Filled HID lights, and how apparently they will give twice the amount of light without using more current.

Are these for real? Are they safe to use?

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Those fake xenon bulbs will not only decrease visibility on the road at night, they will blind the car in front of you, and will burn out within 6 months.. Get bi-xenons if you want improved visibility at night or when it rains.. if you have any questions feel free to ask in this forum =) I can get you a H7 HID kit if u're interested...

Tell me more about the H7 HID kit option.

its $450 US, for a pair of H7 bulbs with ballasts.. They are either phillips or hella, I only sell those.. because korean brands are no good.. They are easy to install comes with diagrams.. the bulbs last the lifetime of you car.. and the road is twice as bright as the bulbs you have now, with a bluish tint, and when it rains, the lines on the road are very visible.. hid makes driving more interesting and safer than ever!

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This is the second time in as many days that I've had to merge threads together for you. Please use the red "Post Reply" icon to reply to a post, not the blue "Post New Topic" button, as that creates a new thread and the information doesn't flow together as it should.

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As far as I know I keep pressing the red posting reply button.

Let's try it again....This is a test.. I am posting reply.

Yesterday driving on the interstate back from New York some kid in a Toyota Highlander was following us all the way with his super blue Aftermarket HID's (they weren't halogen bulbs.. way too bright)

those were the most annoying headlights i have ever seen. We managed to lose him for a bit (my friend was driving his C230). As he caught up slowly the annoying beam of blue light came back again, we just let him pass and drove behind him instead.

I've driven in front of ML's and X5's with their appropriate xenons and they weren't annoying..

I don't know about the X5, but on any Mercedes with the Xenon headlights, the vehicle is equipped with HRA-Headlamp Range Adjustment-which keeps the light beam adjusted automatically based on a pair of chassis level sensors. I wouldn't want the Xenon headlights without HRA, which is why I am always a little negative on the whole "Xenon Kit" scenario. This is just no good IMHO.

In regards to the original post, let me quote this:
You have to realize that if they are advertised as HID that by definition HID lights use an ignited arc in an inert gas, typically Xenon gas as this promotes the light wavelength very close to daylight, usually blueish looking, although other inert gases would also work. These require transformers for ignition and ballasts to keep the arc going. The power consumption is minimal to keep them going, but high consumption to start the arc.
What Tabo discusses in his first post on this thread is an assumption that what is beng offered isn't truely Xenon HID, but a filament-type incandescent bulb which may truely have xenon in the bulb, but is not HID. If they state HID, then it should be, unless the advertisement is misleading.
Mercedes just starting using Xenon-filled incandescent lighting in the tail lights of some models, i want to say the 211 chassis. These are non-removeable, the entire light base is replaced as a unit. They must feel the bulbs like this will last longer to build it this way. Nothing was mentioned about a higher light output or color difference, I believe they look like a normal white light.
Typically what I see being done is an illegal wattage bulb being installed with a tinted glass bulb, which do "sorta" look like a Xenon HID, but serve mostly to annoy people.
If given the option between Xenon HID bulbs and no HRA, or "Halogens" and HRA, I'd take the Halogens and HRA.

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This is probably because the Toyota headlights are DOT and the beam is not focused. HID retrofit kits used in conjunction with ecode headlights will not give that blinding sensation.

And everything that Gilly said.

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when they changed their bulb the beam will stay the same..they are wrong, they need to re align the beam to spec. and some other scenario is when they lift thier suspenssion that too the a headlight adjustment.

and BTW I'm the newbie in this board but not from other board

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The increase in performance is phenominal on *real* HID not those crappy fashion bulbs (which I used on a motorcycle cycle just for kicks, I think they are incredibly dangerous to use).

I recently got a HID kit for my Ducati (which comes with lighting that makes those old 6v VW's look good) and the improvement was more than I had hoped for. Plus the system draws less current once running.

Whatever you do, if you go HID you *MUST* have the proper projection. Either a properly designed faceted lamp reflector or a projector type housing (many can be found without too much trouble) or the beam will be out of focus and if used on a low-beam they will likely blind oncoming drivers.

If you go HID you simply must do it right end to end or don't do it at all. Outside of going to a true HID sysem, Philips VisionPlus lamps always get the nod for pest performance and build quality (a bright lamp is not much good if the filiment is not possitioned correctly - focus is king).

Good luck and post pics if you execute a HID conversion..