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Old 07-27-2017, 04:18 PM
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Big business, at least sometimes, creates jobs for Americans. Public entitlements don't...
I see, you want a United States with a class system.
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What I find interesting is that no one leaks illegal alien information.

One would think that the whole list of illegal alien Drivers Lic would somehow end up in the hands of the Immigration.
Perhaps because state law and federal law are two different things.
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Old 07-27-2017, 04:21 PM
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I see, you want a United States with a class system.
What's that got to do with a "class system"?
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What's that got to do with a "class system"?
The two groups represented: "big business" and "those collecting entitlements" were just given two different values.
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The two groups represented: "big business" and "those collecting entitlements" were just given two different values.
horse crap. that has zero doing with a class system.
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Perhaps because state law and federal law are two different things.
Federal Law usually trumps State.


But, leaking information bypasses both.


The Border Patrol can also pull people over in the States. If they find an illegal immigrant with one of the Special Drivers Lic that part on the Lic that has they can not be detained because of the Lic is meaningless.
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Old 07-27-2017, 07:52 PM
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Big business, at least sometimes, creates jobs for Americans. Public entitlements don't...


Out here public entitlements used to take care of peoples bastard kids and if Daddy was in prison take care of the family.

They also supply a basic income and medical for those who sell illegal narcotics. If you get arrested the Attorney is free because the illegal income is not recorded and hard to prove how much.


https://www.cato.org/publications/congressional-testimony/relationship-between-welfare-state-crime-0


"Last year, the Maryland NAACP released a report concluding that ďthe ready access to a lifetime of welfare and free social service programs is a major contributory factor to the crime problems we face today.Ē(1) Their conclusion appears to be confirmed by academic research. For example, research by Dr. June OíNeillís and Anne Hill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services showed that a 50 percent increase in the monthly value of combined AFDC and food stamp benefits led to a 117 percent increase in the crime rate among young black men.(2)"


"Welfare contributes to crime in several ways. First, children from single-parent families are more likely to become involved in criminal activity. According to one study, children raised in single-parent families are one-third more likely to exhibit anti-social behavior.(3) Moreover, OíNeill found that, holding other variables constant, black children from single- parent households are twice as likely to commit crimes as black children from a family where the father is present. Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes, as do 43 percent of prison inmates.(4) Research indicates a direct correlation between crime rates and the number of single-parent families in a neighborhood.(5)"


People have the freedom to control their bodies but don't!
"At the same time, the evidence of a link between the availability of welfare and out-of-wedlock births is overwhelming. There have been 13 major studies of the relationship between the availability of welfare benefits and out-of-wedlock birth. Of these, 11 found a statistically significant correlation. Among the best of these studies is the work done by June OíNeill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Holding constant a wide range of variables, including income, education, and urban vs. suburban setting, the study found that a 50 percent increase in the value of AFDC and foodstamp payments led to a 43 percent increase in the number of out-of-wedlock births.(7) Likewise, research by Shelley Lundberg and Robert Plotnick of the University of Washington showed that an increase in welfare benefits of $200 per month per family increased the rate of out-of-wedlock births among teenagers by 150 percent.(8)"


Notice I am not speaking of this type of public entitlements:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2011/12/16/10767/the-facts-about-americans-who-receive-public-benefits/
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It is worse then I originally thought "...the 10th state to offer driverís licenses to immigrants living in the country illegally,..."

One would think that booting the Illegals out of the Country would also increase not only driving safety but get rid of Illegals that commit other crimes.
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California Assembly Bill 60, Alejo. Driver’s licenses: eligibility: required documentation.

The way it was:"(1) Existing law requires the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to require an applicant for an original driver’s license or identification card to submit satisfactory proof that the applicant’s presence in the United States is authorized under federal law. Existing law prohibits the department from issuing an original driver’s license or identification card to a person who does not submit satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized under federal law."

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB60

At this point there is nothing in the Bill that indicates that it is anything but a normal lic. "This bill would require the department to issue an original driver’s license to a person who is unable to submit satisfactory proof that the applicant’s presence in the United States is authorized under federal law if he or she meets all other qualifications for licensure and provides satisfactory proof to the department of his or her identity and California residency."
What is this?
"The bill would require a license issued pursuant to those provisions, including temporary licenses, to include on the front of the card a recognizable feature and a specified notice."

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horse crap. that has zero doing with a class system.
"that has zero doing"? Do you know how English works?

Placing different values on two demographics IS a class system.
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Federal Law usually trumps State.
Sure, but local and state officers are not federal employees.
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But, leaking information bypasses both.
If the federal government wants to employ state workers they should be paying them... that's federal law.
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The Border Patrol can also pull people over in the States. If they find an illegal immigrant with one of the Special Drivers Lic that part on the Lic that has they can not be detained because of the Lic is meaningless.
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Out here public entitlements used to take care of peoples bastard kids and if Daddy was in prison take care of the family.

They also supply a basic income and medical for those who sell illegal narcotics. If you get arrested the Attorney is free because the illegal income is not recorded and hard to prove how much.


https://www.cato.org/publications/congressional-testimony/relationship-between-welfare-state-crime-0


"Last year, the Maryland NAACP released a report concluding that ďthe ready access to a lifetime of welfare and free social service programs is a major contributory factor to the crime problems we face today.Ē(1) Their conclusion appears to be confirmed by academic research. For example, research by Dr. June OíNeillís and Anne Hill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services showed that a 50 percent increase in the monthly value of combined AFDC and food stamp benefits led to a 117 percent increase in the crime rate among young black men.(2)"


"Welfare contributes to crime in several ways. First, children from single-parent families are more likely to become involved in criminal activity. According to one study, children raised in single-parent families are one-third more likely to exhibit anti-social behavior.(3) Moreover, OíNeill found that, holding other variables constant, black children from single- parent households are twice as likely to commit crimes as black children from a family where the father is present. Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes, as do 43 percent of prison inmates.(4) Research indicates a direct correlation between crime rates and the number of single-parent families in a neighborhood.(5)"


People have the freedom to control their bodies but don't!
"At the same time, the evidence of a link between the availability of welfare and out-of-wedlock births is overwhelming. There have been 13 major studies of the relationship between the availability of welfare benefits and out-of-wedlock birth. Of these, 11 found a statistically significant correlation. Among the best of these studies is the work done by June OíNeill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Holding constant a wide range of variables, including income, education, and urban vs. suburban setting, the study found that a 50 percent increase in the value of AFDC and foodstamp payments led to a 43 percent increase in the number of out-of-wedlock births.(7) Likewise, research by Shelley Lundberg and Robert Plotnick of the University of Washington showed that an increase in welfare benefits of $200 per month per family increased the rate of out-of-wedlock births among teenagers by 150 percent.(8)"


Notice I am not speaking of this type of public entitlements:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2011/12/16/10767/the-facts-about-americans-who-receive-public-benefits/
Perhaps dealing with the cause rather than the symptoms would be a good idea.

But I know you'd rather continue down the path of blaming race and socioeconomic status instead.
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Perhaps dealing with the cause rather than the symptoms would be a good idea.

But I know you'd rather continue down the path of blaming race and socioeconomic status instead.
You support "the Wall"!!!
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:53 AM
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Sure, but local and state officers are not federal employees. If the federal government wants to employ state workers they should be paying them... that's federal law.
That is what the States say.

On the other hand how may State and Local Law Enforcment groups get Federa Funds or I know they can get Federa Surplus Equipment sometimes for free.

If a Federa Law said the even the local Police had to turn in names of suspected Illegal Aliens would it be legal? I don't know enough about States rights to know.
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Perhaps dealing with the cause rather than the symptoms would be a good idea.

But I know you'd rather continue down the path of blaming race and socioeconomic status instead.
Why does it have to be race?

The largest issue making and keeping people poor (socioeconomic status) is substance abuse and inparticular illegal addictive drugs.

Next on the list is having Kids you cannot afford to or do not have the means to take care of. Those famous welfare babies.
So what is the cause of having those babies when Women have full rights to control of their own bodies?

Note that the above issues have to do with choices people made. Choices that no one wants the Government or and religion and so on to dictate to them. But, at the same time choices where people have not developed enough good character to make a good choice for themselves.

Neither the Goverment no welfare can stop you from taking drugs or making more babies that keep you poor.

Race; there is no Hispanic race. I mean I am part Mexican and am Caucasian and my Wife is Asian and part Spanish so we are both to some degree Hispanics.

Illegal aliens coming here and getting free medical at the County Medical facilities and other stuff they can get on if they have fraudulent documents adds takes away from the Legal Aliens and US Citizens.

US Citizens and Leagal Aliens need those funds to raise their own famalies.

Giving illegal aliens jobs and the fact that illegal alien labor decreases wages (especially in some industries) is also not going to raise people out of poverty.

My Father (I am 60 something years old) and the other Fathers if the Kids I grew up with nealy all faced poverty in the Great Depression. Yet all of them to the best of my knowlege were decent citizens that worked and took care of their famalies. Ya some were poorer then others but they all worked and tried.
No one was on welfare and none of them wanted to be criminals and they all tried to teach their Kids that.

So who is failing to raise kids with good character and ones that can take care of themselves after they get out of High school? To me that is the root cause of a failure to thrive in our society.
It is not the Government's responsibility to do that.
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