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Old 08-06-2004, 05:42 PM
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Oh I see. The guys are mind-controlled robots of some TX fatcat. They sure couldn't have come-up with this story on their own, right?

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Old 08-06-2004, 06:22 PM
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You must have forgotten, In the eyes of the leftist elites,Republican are tooo stooopid to understand the REAL issues. After all, if republicans were as smart as dems, we wouldn't be republicans. So its obvious there must be evil, demented, smart guy, somewhere, pulling the strings for the mind-numbed robots. If only they could stop the evil puppet master, we would have the utopia they truly wish for us.
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Old 08-06-2004, 06:23 PM
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Of course it is a redistribution, unless you believe that we should have no taxes at all.
Allowing people to keep the money they have earned is NOT redistribution. Never has been. Never will be.

I know you pro-tax guys just CAN'T wrap your brains around this whole concept of "keeping what you earn", but keep trying....maybe you'll understand it eventually....

And yes, I DO believe we should have no progressive INCOME taxes. A progressive system is by definition unfair. It penalizes financial success, and rewards financial failure.

Abolish the IRS. National retail sales tax is the only way to go.

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Old 08-06-2004, 06:58 PM
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Allowing people to keep the money they have earned is NOT redistribution. Never has been. Never will be.

I know you pro-tax guys just CAN'T wrap your brains around this whole concept of "keeping what you earn", but keep trying....maybe you'll understand it eventually....

And yes, I DO believe we should have no progressive INCOME taxes. A progressive system is by definition unfair. It penalizes financial success, and rewards financial failure.

Abolish the IRS. National retail sales tax is the only way to go.

www.fairtax.org

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I do not consider myself a libertarian, however I favor the tax system advocated above - a consumption tax. That would potentially eliminate the dodges and games played by the current income tax system. Unfortunately there is too much vested interest in keeping it the way it is, especially for maintaining an economy based on consumption and discouraging savings.

On the other hand, the current shift of repubs is NOT allowing those who earn money to keep it. They are redistributing UP as they are giving legislative breaks to corporations in return for campaign contributions. This results in corporations constructing elaborate tax dodges by off-shoring corporate headquarters and faking investments/losses. Further, the drop in government income forces cuts in the departments that oversee and enforce the laws, so more and more companies are getting away with breaking laws to hide earnings.

The tax burden for the defense department's immense spending spree is falling onto the backs of the middle class while the top 1% get kickbacks. That is one reason the Libertarians object to Bush and Co.
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Is this surprising when there are still those that will argue that John F. Kennedy's PT-109 story is myth.
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Old 08-06-2004, 08:40 PM
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The anti-Kerry guy on CNN said that at least one eye witness to the incident where Kerry pulled the Green Beret from the water said the water was like a "mill pond", meaning very still. According that that account, there were no bullets. Meanwhile the pro-Kerry guy said he was on Kerry's boat and there were plenty of enemy bullets flying. It's hard to reconcile those statements with each other.
Heck, I'm their age. When I wake up in the morning, I can't remember where I left my car keys.

These old farts are trying to differentiate memory from memory from 35 years ago. I'll bet none of them remember where they left their car keys, either.

The water was still. Sure it was. It was rough. OOokay. He's a liar. He's a hero. Ooookay.

What's he done in government in the last say, 20 years? Now taht's some stuff that's on the record, not subject to "Band of Brothers'" idolotry nor commie sympathizer rapid hate.

Moveon, ya'll.

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Old 08-06-2004, 09:22 PM
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You must have forgotten, In the eyes of the leftist elites,Republican are tooo stooopid to understand the REAL issues. After all, if republicans were as smart as dems, we wouldn't be republicans. So its obvious there must be evil, demented, smart guy, somewhere, pulling the strings for the mind-numbed robots. If only they could stop the evil puppet master, we would have the utopia they truly wish for us.
That sums it up nicely, thank you.
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Old 08-06-2004, 09:52 PM
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ah yes that secretive and reclusive George Soros, he moves in the shadows, always trying to hide his true motives and neferious plans.

This is one of the reasons I have quite voting R. Soros has been mentioned two times now as some evil mastermind. Please, someone tell me something bad about him. Tell me about the sweetheart deal he Kerry sent him. Show me the the false accusations he has made against Bush.

As fowler said, the stupid of the world seem to have taken up residence in the Republican party. They hear Rush say "Soros bad" and they just parrot it.

What happened to the party of ideas? Goldwater Kemp Reagan McCain, you didn't have to agree with them but at least they had ideas
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Old 08-06-2004, 09:57 PM
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You must have forgotten, In the eyes of the leftist elites,Republican are tooo stooopid to understand the REAL issues. After all, if republicans were as smart as dems, we wouldn't be republicans. So its obvious there must be evil, demented, smart guy, somewhere, pulling the strings for the mind-numbed robots. If only they could stop the evil puppet master, we would have the utopia they truly wish for us.
Do you have any idea how disrespectful your comment is? Does it ever occur to you that people who disagree with you might just disagree?
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Old 08-06-2004, 10:00 PM
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Allowing people to keep the money they have earned is NOT redistribution. Never has been. Never will be.

I know you pro-tax guys just CAN'T wrap your brains around this whole concept of "keeping what you earn", but keep trying....maybe you'll understand it eventually....

And yes, I DO believe we should have no progressive INCOME taxes. A progressive system is by definition unfair. It penalizes financial success, and rewards financial failure.

Abolish the IRS. National retail sales tax is the only way to go.

www.fairtax.org

Mike
I haven't studied the national retail sales tax, so I can't comment on that. So long as wealthy people pay more than poor people, then maybe it is fair.

The thing I don't understand is why you object to the word "redistribution"? Does it have some evil, commie connotation to you?
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Heck, I'm their age. When I wake up in the morning, I can't remember where I left my car keys.

These old farts are trying to differentiate memory from memory from 35 years ago. I'll bet none of them remember where they left their car keys, either.

The water was still. Sure it was. It was rough. OOokay. He's a liar. He's a hero. Ooookay.

What's he done in government in the last say, 20 years? Now taht's some stuff that's on the record, not subject to "Band of Brothers'" idolotry nor commie sympathizer rapid hate.

Moveon, ya'll.

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I disagree. The campaign is like a job interview. The voters should try to vet the candidates as thorougly as possible. That Kerry volunteered for dangerous duty when he didn't have to says something good about him, but it does not mean that you don't look at what he did after the war.

I believe, but obviously can't prove, that many of our current problems arise from the voters' failure in 2000 to ask a basic question - Is W a suitable human being to lead the free world? Clearly, he is not. And all the warning signs were there in his mis-spent youth, young adult hood, and early middle age.

By the way, I was not surprised to see Scott McClellan running from this issue this morning. The last thing the Bush people want to do is debate what the candidates were doing in 1968-71.
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Old 08-06-2004, 10:13 PM
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Funding the teaching of FBI tolererance.

He compares the death of 3,000 Americans to radical Muslim hijackers and murders, to the humiliation of a number of Iraqi prisoners, by a very small number of American troops.

This: Georgia revolt carried mark of Soros


The puke should stay of world affairs.
did you actually read that article? I didn't see anything relating to Muslims, prisinors or the FBI

Who were you pulling for in the Georgian election?

Try again
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Old 08-06-2004, 10:39 PM
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sorry teach, I don't want to be like someone here who cut 'n post articles 24/7.

Wait! What's that!






George Soros and BCCI?
I ask what comperable underhanded thing Soros has done and your response is that he influenced an election IN FREAKING RUSSIA.

BCCI? yeah great, more anti semetic, one world order conspiracy theory craziness.

Yeah your right, you do have more important things to do. Don't those windows need another sheet of aluminum foil?
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Old 08-07-2004, 07:26 AM
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No, I don't see how disrespectful my comment was. I am tired of the left's insults of the right. After all they are all politicians; few of any stripe have any real concern beyond getting re-elected. But, I have observed, ( on my own) over 40 years, or more that the political Left does evidence a certain smug superiority. They, as a group, show disdain for the ideas of the Right. So, why can't I poke a little fun? With rare exceptions, I do not question the motives of anyone on the Left--I think many are simply wrong-headed, some are a simplistic, but most are sincere. Ad hominum attacks--by either side-- are worthless, and meaningless. They are also a sign of the weakness of one's own argument.

We can disagree without name-calling, can't we? Rhetorical question--as I see based on the comments on this board. Look at from where the most hatred and venon comes. Of corse, you can excuse yourself, if you think you are right--that gives you the right to villify opponents at will. If you look at the thread I started, asking Kerry supporters for their positive reasons for supporting Kerry, almost all were simply a form of " He ain't Bush"., and " Bush is evil/ murderer etc" Look at the tone of those hate-filled responses-- are there many that dispassionately outline the issues? ( I think I remember one.)
All I ask is that you show the same respect for ideas that you demand form others.
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Old 08-07-2004, 08:26 AM
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I disagree. The campaign is like a job interview. The voters should try to vet the candidates as thorougly as possible. That Kerry volunteered for dangerous duty when he didn't have to says something good about him, but it does not mean that you don't look at what he did after the war.
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When I interview folks for jobs I ask them questions relevant to the job at hand. I am unconvinced that this is relevant.

For example, the previous president nuanced his young ass completely out of service. Should that have disqualified him? I don't think so.

One of the smartest guys we've ever had in the presidency was a naval officer trained as a nukular engineer and his complete, whole 4-year term was a train wreck. Nixon and Johnson were both Naval officers, too.

So if I learn anything from military records, I believe we should prevent anybody who's ever been a naval officer from being president.

In other words, that military stuff is good for one thing: The military. When folks go in they shed their civilian rights and become assimilated into the continuum. When folks get out, they shed the uniform and become individuals. In most instances the KASOCs are wildly different.

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