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Old 10-27-2005, 05:42 PM
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The Real Pat Tillman, Still A Real American Hero

"I don’t believe it," seethed Ann Coulter.

Her contempt was directed at a September 25 San Francisco Chronicle story reporting that former NFL star and Army Ranger war hero Pat Tillman, who was killed in Afghanistan last year, believed the US war on Iraq was "f***ing illegal" and counted Noam Chomsky among his favorite authors. It must have been quite a moment for Coulter, who upon Tillman’s death described him in her inimitably creepy fashion as "an American original-virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be." She tried to discredit the story as San Francisco agitprop, but this approach ran into a slight problem: The article’s source was Pat Tillman’s mother, Mary.

Mary and the Tillman family are relentlessly pushing for answers to the questions surrounding Pat’s death in Afghanistan.

They want to know why it took the Pentagon five weeks to tell them he died in a tragic case of friendly fire.

They want to know why they were unwitting props at Pat’s funeral, weeping while lies were told by eulogizing politicians. Mary is now hoping that a new Pentagon inquiry will bring closure. "There have been so many discrepancies so far that it’s hard to know what to believe," she said to the Chronicle. "There are too many murky details."

They want to know what happened to their son's diary, the one that he had kept since he was 16, but now the Pentagon says is "missing."

They want to know why his uniform and battle ribbons were burned and why they were told it was "standard procedure."

The very private Tillmans have revealed a picture of Pat profoundly at odds with the GI Joe image created by Pentagon spinmeisters and their media stenographers. As the Chronicle put it, family and friends are now unveiling "a side of Pat Tillman not widely known-a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty.

He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books...to works of leftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author."

Tillman had very unembedded feelings about the Iraq War. His close friend Army Spec. Russell Baer remembered, "I can see it like a movie screen. We were outside of [an Iraqi city] watching as bombs were dropping on the town.... We were talking. And Pat said, ‘You know, this war is so f***ing illegal.’ And we all said, ‘Yeah.’ That’s who he was. He totally was against Bush." With these revelations, Pat Tillman the PR icon joins WMD and Al Qaeda connections on the heap of lies used to sell the Iraq War.

Tillman’s transition from one-dimensional caricature to critically thinking human being is a long time coming. The fact is that in death he was far more useful to the armchair warriors than he had ever been in life. When the Pro Bowler joined the Army Rangers, the Pentagon brass needed a loofah to wipe their drool: He was white, handsome and played in the NFL. For a chicken-hawk Administration led by a President who loves the affectations of machismo but runs from protesting military moms, this testosterone cocktail was impossible to resist. The problem was that Tillman wouldn’t play their game. To the Pentagon’s chagrin, he turned down numerous offers to be its recruitment poster child.

But when Tillman fell in Afghanistan the wheels once again started to turn. Now the narrative was perfect: "War hero and football star dies fighting terror." The Abu Ghraib scandal was about to hit the press, so the President found it especially useful to praise Tillman as "an inspiration on and off the football field, as with all who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror." His funeral was nationally televised. Bush even went back to the bloody well during the presidential campaign, addressing his team’s fans on the Arizona Cardinals’ stadium Jumbotron.

We now know, of course, that this was all a brutal charade. Such callous manipulation is fueling the Tillman family’s anger. As Mary Tillman said this past May, "They could have told us up front that they were suspicious that [his death] was a fratricide, but they didn’t. They wanted to use him for their purposes.... They needed something that looked good, and it was appalling that they would use him like that." A growing number of military families, similarly angered, are criticizing the war in Iraq through organizations like Military Families Speak Out.

As for Chomsky, whom Ann Coulter would undoubtedly label "treasonous," Mary Tillman says a private meeting was planned between him and Pat after Pat’s return-a meeting that never took place, of course. Chomsky confirms this scenario. This was the real Pat Tillman: someone who, like the majority of this country, was doubting the rationale for war, distrusting his Commander in Chief and looking for answers. The real Pat Tillman, the one with three dimensions, must stick in the throat of the Bush-Coulter gang, a pit in the cherry atop their bloody sundae.


From another article:

The massive SF Chronicle article contains the testimony of a colleague who watched him die: "I could hear the pain in his voice as he called out, 'Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat f—ing Tillman, dammit.'” Tillman said this over and over until he stopped, having been hit by three bullets in the forehead.

After 9/11, Tillman decided to give up his career, saying he wanted to fight al-Qaeda and help find Osama bin Laden.

Another soldier in the platoon said Tillman urged him to vote in the 2004 election for Sen. John Kerry.



It's good to know the real Pat Tillman, and I hope his family gets their answers.

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Old 10-27-2005, 06:52 PM
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i have seen part of a special program about tillman on oln. hopefully it will be on again so i can see the whole thing.
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Great, now we have a dead guy to play birdie in political batminton.

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Bot, it was the Pentagon/Pro-War faction that made it "a game."
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Old 10-27-2005, 07:38 PM
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Bot, it was the Pentagon/Pro-War faction that made it "a game."
We all know it was the Left coast/coward faction that was getting bribes from Saddam to let him do buisiness as usual just like the french, germans and Russians were paid to be his chearleaders.
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Bot, it was the Pentagon/Pro-War faction that made it "a game."
Not me, pal. I think using a soldier's death to futher any political cause is disgusting to the point of obscene. It reminds me of that gross game teh Afghanis play from horseback using a dead calf in a macabre "Capture the Flag."

You've got the calf. Now shake it real high so we can watch the blood spatter.


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Oh, I get it. When the so-called patriotic, pro-war factions use the death of an American soldier as propoganda, then it shouldn't be discussed. Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Let's get back to mocking Ms. Sheehan.
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Oh, I get it. When the so-called patriotic, pro-war factions use the death of an American soldier as propoganda, then it shouldn't be discussed. Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Let's get back to mocking Ms. Sheehan.
I think you missed the part where I don't approve of using dead soldier's a tokens for political subways. As I've said many times before, Cindy gets a free pass because it was her son that she laments.

You have an amazing ability for putting words in my mouth and then arguing agaisnt them. Bravo.

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Oh, I get it. When the so-called patriotic, pro-war factions use the death of an American soldier as propoganda, then it shouldn't be discussed. Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Let's get back to mocking Ms. Sheehan.
By all means investigate it but don't make it a just another headline. I have read three different media reports about his death and strangely enough they are all different......much different. The military did say that it was friendly fire and the media just added the fratricide spin. I wasn't there but no way no how would an entire Ranger squad conspire to kill another Ranger.....period.
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You have an amazing ability for putting words in my mouth and then arguing agaisnt them. Bravo.

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And you sir, have a habit of thinking that many posts, most of which do not contain your quotes, must be addressed to you. Congratulations.
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By all means investigate it but don't make it a just another headline. I have read three different media reports about his death and strangely enough they are all different......much different. The military did say that it was friendly fire and the media just added the fratricide spin. I wasn't there but no way no how would an entire Ranger squad conspire to kill another Ranger.....period.
I agree...Rangers, the Seals....and the Green Berets are all the cream of the crop....The Special Forces have a level of brotherhood that a non-military person can not fathom.....

There is no way they conspired to kill him....only a military hater could even dream such a thing up.
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And you sir, have a habit of thinking that many posts, most of which do not contain your quotes, must be addressed to you. Congratulations.
Nicely dodged!

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Another soldier in the platoon said Tillman urged him to vote in the 2004 election for Sen. John Kerry.
It's always nice to read unattributed hearsay quotes from people citing the words of men who are dead and can't confirm them.

I'd venture to say it's complete B.S. that Pat Tillman thought the war in Afghanistan was "illegal." ... The war in Afghanistan -- where he died -- is the war Pat Tillman signed up to fight.

Arguing against the war in Iraq, it's justifications and its aims is one thing. But even many left-leaning individuals don't dispute the war in Afghanistan. That was a direct and justifiable pursuit of al-Qaida.
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It's always nice to read unattributed hearsay quotes from people citing the words of men who are dead and can't confirm them.

I'd venture to say it's complete B.S. that Pat Tillman thought the war in Afghanistan was "illegal." ... The war in Afghanistan -- where he died -- is the war Pat Tillman signed up to fight.

Arguing against the war in Iraq, it's justifications and its aims is one thing. But even many left-leaning individuals don't dispute the war in Afghanistan. That was a direct and justifiable pursuit of al-Qaida.
From the accounts that I have read Tillman was for the war in Afganistan and did not agree with the war in Iraq, so your BS detector is dead on and does not need calibration.

May I comment that your post is on target IMO.
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Threat of Perjury Charges: An excerpt from a March 3, 2005, memorandum by Brig. Gen. Gary Jones describes how Capt. William Saunders, the commander of Pat Tillman's Ranger company, was threatened with perjury charges. Jones' memo said Saunders made false claims that he had informed his superiors that platoon commander Lt. David Uthlaut had protested orders given to him leading up to the incident. Despite this threat, Saunders was allowed to change his testimony and was granted immunity.
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