Federal Investigators Probe High-Tech Explosives Theft About 400 Pounds of Explosive Material Missing

Dec. 19, 2005 — About 400 pounds of explosive material was stolen from a research facility in New Mexico, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed today.

The theft was discovered Sunday night by local authorities.

Also, 2,500 detonators were missing from a storage explosive container, or magazine, in the name of Cherry Engineering.

The theft is one of the largest reported cases from a facility in the United States in the last decade ending 2004. During that time, a total of about 1,000 pounds was reported stolen from government facilities in 14 reported incidents. It is unknown whether there is any connection to terrorism.

A special agent at ATF said the incident was unusual because such high-powered material was targeted.

One hundred and fifty pounds of the plastic explosive compound C-4 and 250 pounds of undetectable "sheet explosives" — a DuPont flexible explosive material that can be hidden in books and letters — were stolen in the burglary, which also included the theft of blasting caps.

Burglars used a torch bar to break into the explosives containers and remove the material.

The missing material could potentially make numerous bombs.

I wonder why these folks didn't have thier phones tapped??!!!

Want to be it was disgruntled Democrats who did it?

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Powers, long recognized by federal law include:

Detain American citizens for investigative purposes without a warrant;

Arrest American citizens, based on probable cause, without a warrant;

Conduct a warrantless search of the person of an American citizen who has been detained, with or without a warrant;

Conduct a warrantless search of the home of an American citizen in order to secure the premises while a warrant is being obtained;

Conduct a warrantless search of, and seize, items belonging to American citizens that are displayed in plain view and that are obviously criminal or dangerous in nature;

Conduct a warrantless search of anything belonging to an American citizen under exigent circumstances if considerations of public safety make obtaining a warrant impractical;

Conduct a warrantless search of an American citizen's home and belongings if another person, who has apparent authority over the premises, consents;

Conduct a warrantless search of an American citizen's car anytime there is probable cause to believe it contains contraband or any evidence of a crime;

Conduct a warrantless search of any closed container inside the car of an American citizen if there is probable cause to search the car — regardless of whether there is probable cause to search the container itself;

Conduct a warrantless search of any property apparently abandoned by an American citizen;

Conduct a warrantless search of any property of an American citizen that has lawfully been seized in order to create an inventory and protect police from potential hazards or civil claims;

Conduct a warrantless search — including a strip search — at the border of any American citizen entering or leaving the United States;

Conduct a warrantless search at the border of the baggage and other property of any American citizen entering or leaving the United States;

Conduct a warrantless search of any American citizen seeking to enter a public building;

Conduct a warrantless search of random Americans at police checkpoints established for public-safety purposes (such as to detect and discourage drunk driving);

Conduct warrantless monitoring of common areas frequented by American citizens;

Conduct warrantless searches of American citizens and their vessels on the high seas;

Conduct warrantless monitoring of any telephone call or conversation of an American citizen as long as one participant in the conversation has consented to the monitoring;

Conduct warrantless searches of junkyards maintained by American citizens;

Conduct warrantless searches of docks maintained by American citizens;

Conduct warrantless searches of bars or nightclubs owned by American citizens to police underage drinking;

Conduct warrantless searches of auto-repair shops operated by American citizens;

Conduct warrantless searches of the books of American gem dealers in order to discourage traffic in stolen goods;

Conduct warrantless drug screening of American citizens working in government, emergency services, the transportation industry, and nuclear plants;

Conduct warrantless drug screening of American citizens who are school officials;

Conduct warrantless drug screening of American citizens who are school students;

Conduct warrantless searches of American citizens who are on bail, probation or parole.

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Ok, so let's apply this to the POTUS.

You can't hire a guy to be C in C of the US and expect him to be bound by the same rules of conduct that say, the CEO of GM is bound by. The Pres is expected and required to do things that no other person can or would do. Inaction by a President is, in my book, a greater reason for impeachment than is action in the face of threats against the country.

There has always been a struggle between the senate and the executive about policy, procedure and all the rest. The constitution gives the President broad powers because the founders knew that the senate and house would discuss things endlessly and thereby become dangerously inept when faced with hard decisions. But grandstanding by individual senators, while common, is ridiculous, because they can only have influence as a body. Their individual voice doesn't really count and most of them don't like it. Many Senators aspire to the Presidency, and talk like a President, but mostly no one is listening and that pisses them off.

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Did you ever go to high school? or take a civics class? I doubt it.

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**** You can't hire a guy to be C in C of the US and expect him to be bound by the same rules of conduct that say, the CEO of GM is bound by. The Pres is expected and required to do things that no other person can or would do.*****

So what you're saying is, the laws don't apply to him. Well fancy that. I kind of thought we were through dealing with a King. Apparently not

Bone dead you are the one who has problems with this.

Well Charlie7 the law is applied differently under different circumstances. That is a fact even with the little people like us.

Yes, the President is a bit like a king. The main difference is that he or she can only serve 8 years and not pass the office to a specific designee.

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Here is what one Rebublican senator thinks:


"Every president, that we know of, has complied with the law (FISA)," Hagel said. "No president is above the law. We are a nation of laws and no president, majority leader, or chief justice of the Supreme Court can unilaterally or arbitrarily avoid a law or dismiss a law. If the vice president holds a different point of view, then he holds a different point of view."

Based on the facts that are out there concerning whether domestic spying abuses were taking place, Hagel said, there was a "breakdown."

"I take an oath of office to the Constitution," he said. "I don't take an oath of office to the vice president, a president or a political party. My obligation and responsibility are to the people I represent and the country I serve. I do what I think is right for the people I represent and the country I serve." [...]

Hagel, referring to President Ronald Reagan, said people trusted him because he was not a "vitriolic person or one to impugn the motives of people who disagreed with him."

"Never did he do that," Hagel said. "There is no place for that in politics because it debases our system and our process. You can agree or disagree with your leaders and say whatever you like about your elected leaders and throw them out, but I do draw the line on the vilification and impugning of motives because someone disagrees with you."

He said the American people are "sick and fed up" with that type of politics.

"Cheney's poll numbers are very, very low," Hagel said. "This should be about elevating the debate and enhancing America and finding the solutions that we need to move forward. It doesn't help when you characterize people who disagree with you or threaten them or characterize them as unpatriotic or not caring about our people or our security. The American people see through that and it is beneath the dignity of this country."

Why does Senator Hagel hate America?

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Hagel is a loyal American, and a vet. Let's see how long it takes for swift boaters to come after him.

Everybody put on your foil hats, I'm going to channel Hagel.

He's trying to set himself up as the Not-Bush Republican candidate that Democrats wont immediately hate. McCain has already ruined his own electibility within his own party and Hagel thinks he can capture that small group of independent votes and disaffected Republicans. He hopes to god that Hillary runs so that the majority of folks who would vote democratic as a way to express displeasure towards Bush may also choose him rather than staying home.

Hagel's danger lies in alienating the ardent Republicans who view party disloyalty as a form of treason. That was also McCain's misstep. He's taking a huge risk.

(Remove foil)

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Is the foil thing like the secret hand shake? Or is this a repug thing?

It's my way of saying that I am engaging in baseless speculation. I think it's fun to do but I also like to warn folks that there is likely no good can come of it.

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