Actually, I'm primarily Scanda-hoovian.

Global War Of Terror?

I just don't give a damn anymore.

I'm over it.

People in the Middle East... Arabs and Jews alike... have been abusing and killing one another for centuries, and most of them have rejected every attempt that has ever been made (whether by diplomacy, economic aid, or by force...) to help them out of their self-induced, primitive rut.

I am starting to believe that they are simply incapable of overcoming their irrational hatred and religious prejudices.

I give up.

I say we stay home and leave them to their own devices. Maybe they'll eventually kill each other off, and then our descendants won't have to worry about any of this crap anymore.

I'm fed up with the whole lot of them.

Mike

Agreed. It's like Yugoslavia with oil. If it wasn't for the dino-juice, we'd be content (and justified) to put up a barbed wire fence around the region, let them kill each other, and care about it as much as we do (as a nation) about sub-Saharan Africa, that is to say, not much.

It should get ugly in a few days, i.e. a major Israeli ground invasion starting early next week. If Chirac and the Pope (the former Hitler Youth member) think the last couple of days have been disproportionate and deplorable, that should send them apoplectic. I'm guessing GD won't be too happy either. :rolleyes:

If all hell does break loose it could really get interesting.

Also, if/When India and Pakistan decide it is time for them too to "end" thousands of years of hostilities. Which seems to be flaring up at the same time. There will be plenty of parking after they send the donkeys over with nukes on their backs.

All we really need are the catholics and the protestants to start setting each other alight.

And the Mongol hordes to storm China.....

I would almost agree, except outsiders thrust them into the randomly carved up nations that exist now, in which they have no real roots or allegience. All most of them have is their religion and the associated intolerance and hatred. And thats all they will ever have until they pull their heads out of the proverbial sand. I feel sorry for them but at a certain point you have to ask what else can possibly be done. Someone will have to move away, and by sheer headcount, Israel is the candidate. If only they can drop their irrational attachment to a plot of land and set up a new existence somewhere in the Americas, or Russia or wherever.

There was a show on the other night about how Arab grade school books have toned down their anti-western message. They still say that Jews and Christians are the enemy and must be killed. I hate to see what they said before. So it looks like we have at least another generation of this to look forward to, unless something very big happens.

me too. there are enough problems here in america that need addressing now and i am tired of all our attention going to the middle east, for crying out loud those people have been fighting since they picked their knuckles up off the ground.

The US needs Iran now to allow peace in Iraq and come to agreement with the world about nukes. I would guess this lil war is great fodder for barter... in someones mind...

As to why this would be; they certainly won't be giving up any of those details to us saps. I have heard that Syria and Iran have worked quite closely in the past though.

Besides which the Iranian's will have to go balls to the wall... if they want to try and tangle with Isreal with 150,000 US troops to pass on the way to the fight...

Psssssst, it's the oil.

The USA got over the holocaust guilt about 30 years ago. we've been using the holocaust guilt thingy since then as cover for the real reason we keep an oar in the water: Our national survival (and the survival of modern society) depends on the availability of oil.

B

The problem is what will an Isreal invasion accomplish? They need to think carefully, and really rachet up the pressure if they do.

For example notice that lack of problems the Germans had during WW2 with occupied territories...sure they had some but not many. The stakes need to be increased, would young men be so willing to blow themselves up if they new their village would be bulldozed and its inhabitents arressted?

These people have been offered so many peace deals, they just are hell bent on killing Jews. While Isreal has the power they need use it.

From the other perspective.
If Iraq breaks into three parts... and Iran's sphere of geo politica influnce is southern shia... whose sphere is northern central sunnia? An Isreali incursion into Lebanon taken to its fruition leads through Damascus to Tehran. The two primary backers of Palestine terror.

Aside from that possibility what does Iran have to fear?

A US program of regime change is looking almost laughable at this point. And the use of nukes by anyone affiliated with a nation seems improbable at best.

Perhaps if there were a wolf howling at Iran's window they might see the benifit of working with the international community.

Maybe this wolf will do....

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols2/israeli_tank.jpg

Ok, so yet again we have thread that is a few pages long where the original poster throws some fat into the fire and then sits back quietly, gleaning information. For what purpose? I don't know. I just see a pattern.

Why do you hate America?

Seriously, I really doubt that Cheney et. al. believed that crap about being welcomed as liberators, etc. -- that was public consumption cover for the real purpose which is proceding apace: the establishment of the framework of power to dominate Iraq from now on. We have an embassy compound underway bigger than Vatican City, and many permanent bases being hardened.

I mean it was preposterous: thinking that after randomly dropping "smart" bombs and wiping out many young men who foolishly but patriotically served in Saddam's armies - every one with a family mourning their death - we could announce that we were there to help them into a better life and we're sure sorry about all the mayhem that just went down.

Having said that, my bearings are under major assault in my own head. Maybe the only solution is to bludgeon hell out of Syria, Iran, and the whack jobs in Iraq and Lebanon. They don't get major ingredients of civility in a big way. There are potential down-sides to that, however. China, our financier, has ties with Iran it values. Likewise for the other superpower, in aimed nukes anyway, Russia, who we've been tweeking and insulting for a while now. For an interesting take on that see thread here.

I can't believe this crap is still going on....I actually have a friend from Rutgers U. that went back to Lebanon for the entire summer. :eek: