And while we're about it,me buckos.Neither John Gotti,Gaspipe Casso,Ducks Corallo,Sonny Franzese,"Doves"Aiuppa nor "Snake "Persico were ever convicted by a jury of their "peers".

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he fits right in with the neos.

any argument no matter how flimsy will be repeated ad nauseum because so many folks who support them will buy it.

and they dont care what the rest of us think.

tom w

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I'm looking forward to November and the results of the mid-term elections.

To date, all the BS reagarding the public's view of the administration is simply that. We don't know if the general population has been demonstrably swayed against W and terrorist propaganda campaign.

Note that the campaign started in full swing, yet again, on September 11 where W tied the war into his "terrorism" yet again. It's done very effectively..............I'll be awaiting the outcome with anticipation.

I disagree after hearing Colin Powell's letter to John McCain read on the news this morning.

What I'm wondering is how will America at large respond if results differ starkly from exit polling numbers in such a way as to benefit Diebold's side?

Statisticians have said that the chances of as many exit polls being off in the same direction as they were in Kerry v. Bush are very slim. And yet the American public stewed briefly, then went back to the latest Netflix offerings.

If some of these characters actually have hijacked democracy, is anyone going to get seriously animated about it?

Stay tuned...

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First lesson in statistics: A complete enumeration of a variable is always more accurate than any sampling scheme.

There are two major sources of statistical error: Accepting a false result believing it is true and rejecting a true report, believing it is false. These are often referred to as "Type I" and "Type II" errors. Neither of these errors are possible in complete enumeration.

Also, the possibility of unethical and inadvertent manipulation is far greater with statistical sampling. This is why blind and double-blind methods are used in high-risk/high-reward (like medicine) analyses. Even riskier are the time-dependent, bootstrapping methods employed in exit polling. Look-up bootstrapping and you'll understand what I am getting at. It is an extremely valuable and well-understood method (technically, by statisticians). Properly conducted it is very reliable.

I'm not saying that statistics are necessarily incorrect when there is a discrepancy with an enumerative poll. I'm just saying that the first thing a prudent person should do is freeze all of the data and poll results to avoid any tampering of anything. Then look first at the statistical technique and method before undermining faith in the people's vote.

If the stats stand, then look elsewhere. If stats fail scrutiny, stop there and accept the election. Undermining the voter's faith in the election process is a terrible thing to do. One's side may win this election but one may find the opponents using the same tactics in a subsequent election. That's a hell of a way to run a democracy.

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And one of the last might be the central limit theorem. This fits here also.

Then there's the great statistical error of human nature. In today's environement I have no doubt that there are folks who will lambast Bush in public and on polls with both barrels. People in general don't like confrontation and like to fit in. Yet they'll vote for him when no one's looking.

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I know what you mean, Brian, but I'm not.

I'm sure the same people will march to the polls en masse. You know, the ones who when we all have our heads between our knees and are kissing our asses goodbye in a nuclear winter, will thank God that GW is in charge and not that awful liberal Gore or Kerry... Hey, he's a war president, so what if we all are going to be casualties?

I'm going to have some faith in the general population.........for this one time.........and only until the elections........and we'll see if they manage to pull their heads out of their asses for this one election.

Let me guess: That would be voting patterns in conformity with your own?

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We've now devolved from arguing about a subject to incorporating me as part of your argument. That doesn't interest me.

Assuming that things don't go your way, what then?

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........maybe I'll shoot myself......how about that........??