Now this should be interesting. If they conformed to CA emissions standards, how can they be liable for the emissions on their vehicles Hold them accountable they say! Wonder what Californian's will be driving when they refuse to send cars there. I really wonder what % of global warming can be directly attributed to vehicles. What are they going to do next? Sue the oil companies for producing the fuel...
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its always about me with them .. me being california, i swear lets just let them be their own country, cali this cali that...

Isn't that the same as holding gun manufacturers complicit in gun crimes? They make the cars but Californians choose to drive them.

they know they pollute so they regulate it, now they are trying to sue them for pollution that the state of CA is regulating... thats a lil screwed up and ex post facto (almost)

Great point. Guess the AG should sue the people living in CA for driving the car that caused global warming. I can see this now.

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They would have to prove that global warming is caused by man-made factors before they have a case? Too bad it won't go very far...

Lockyer is a public nuisance in California. I wonder if he can be sued because of that???

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This BS really is over the top. In similar manner to the gun manufacturers, the government can spend any amount of money to pursue them and frame the case so that the "average person" will find the company guilty.

Here is another instance of my statements regarding the "average person". They can't see beyond what the government tells them.

I sincerely hope not, but this case may sadly go forward.

I suppose all Californians should then move their warmth pollution to Saskatchewan. (the middle prairie province) Then the kids growing up there will be tragically deprived of 40 below winters and have to make do with 37.5 below. Centigrade.. Hah. Revenge on Canada!

Maybe Lockyer should try Medicine Hat in mid January at 50 below and he'd stop worrying about.........let's see what exactly is he worried about? Wouldn't be some new office he'd like to run for with the attendant fat cat pension for one term? Bet he uses a fossil-fueled limo to get around, too.

Actually, this latest is another embarassment to any sentient Californian -- as stupid and pig-eyed as the penalty tax on SUVs that genius Fran Pavley pushed through. The marketplace will regulate choice -- as soon as government, particularly inept government, begins regulating behavior we're in alot of real trouble. Wait, they already regulate behavior don't they? Anyone seen the IRS investigations of All-Saints Pasadena? Who elects these idiots and what asylum do they escape from undetected?

Waste - waste - waste. ... makes me want to drive more often and further, except the cretins in Sacto haven't done anything to fix most of LA's gridlocked freeways for decades. How about the 101/405, or the Hollywood split? Betcha more greenhouse gasses belch up from those insane standstills every AM and PM than any regulation could ever control. And who owns the antiquated highways?

Nearly t ime to shout out the windows, "I'm angry and I won't take it anymore"

Suppose this guy will end up testifying??


Colorado State professor disputes global warming is human-caused

Views ‘out of step’ with others are good for science, academic says By Kate Martin
The Daily Reporter-Herald

Global warming is happening, but humans are not the cause, one of the nation’s top experts on hurricanes said Monday morning.
Bill Gray, who has studied tropical meteorology for more than 40 years, spoke at the Larimer County Republican Club Breakfast about global warming and whether humans are to blame. About 50 people were at the talk.

Gray, who is a professor at Colorado State University, said human-induced global warming is a fear perpetuated by the media and scientists who are trying to get federal grants.

“I think we’re coming out of the little ice age, and warming is due to changes to ocean circulation patterns due to salinity variations,” Gray said. “I’m sure that’s it.”


Gray’s view has been challenged, however.

Roger Pielke Jr., director of the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado, said in an interview later Monday that climate scientists involved with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that most of the warming is due to human activity.

“Bill Gray is a widely respected senior scientist who has a view that is out of step with a lot of his colleagues’,” Pielke said. But challenging widely held views is “good for science because it forces people to make their case and advances understanding.”

“We should always listen to the minority,” said Pielke, who spoke from his office in Boulder. “But it’s prudent to take actions that both minimize human effect on the climate and also make ourselves much more resilient.”

At the breakfast, Gray said Earth was warmer in some medieval periods than it is today. Current weather models are good at predicting weather as far as 10 days in advance, but predicting up to 100 years into the future is “a great act of faith, and I don’t believe any of it,” he said.

But even if humans cause global warming, there’s not much people can do, Gray said. China and India will continue to pump out greenhouse gases, and alternative energy sources are expensive.

“Why do it if it’s not going to make a difference anyway?” he said. “Whether I’m right or wrong, we can’t do anything about it anyway.”

But Pielke said it makes sense to reduce humans’ impact on the climate.

“There are uncertainties. It’s not like you

change your light bulbs today, you’re going to have better weather tomorrow,” he said. “It’s even better if those actions you’re taking make sense for other reasons, like getting off Middle Eastern oil or saving money.”
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California needs to be broken up into several smaller states. Its way too big for its own good. Ten eastern states would easily fit inside California.

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The Peoples Republic of CA gets more crazy every time I look west. Kind of glad I'm a few thousand miles away.

I can't even begin to understand the depth of the BS in this lawsuit. I wonder how many people that filed it drive H2's and Range Rovers then go around the preach about how the globe is warming up? Such people are at least for me dismissed out of hand.

Now wouldn't it be funny if the automakers got together and refused to sell to CA for lets say a month? There economy would drop faster than the gas guage on a super charged H2!

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I think thats a great idea, we'd have to remodel the Capitol building though - small price to pay...

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Actually, you don't.

Six more states.........12 more senators.........guess which party?

We'd keep even on LA and SF. The rest of the state would elect non-Democrats. Califormia is a conservative state when you remove the 2 big cities and where all the rich folks vacation (tahoe and such). In the current scope of where each party aligns now, I think I'd like that.

There would really be no end to the whining to get rid of the electoral college though.

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