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Botnst · #1 12-14-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I doubt you can back that up. You calling me a coward, you mass murder and chemical warfare apologist, you?

Uno mas, read "The Nation," July 1, 1961, "Nicargaua: Another Cuba?" and splain to me why were right to prop up Somoza for decades and seek to utterly destroy the group that finally deposed him.

Nah, I don't care to engage in yet another pointless exchange. You win.

My minor point was that what you posted was an opinion with which many people take exception.

Assertion, no matter the conviction we may hold, is not the same as truth. Doesn't mean you are wrong. Merely means there is no definitive proof of that assertion.

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cmac2012 · #2 12-15-2006, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Nah, I don't care to engage in yet another pointless exchange. You win.

My minor point was that what you posted was an opinion with which many people take exception.

Assertion, no matter the conviction we may hold, is not the same as truth. Doesn't mean you are wrong. Merely means there is no definitive proof of that assertion.

Definitive proof will be hard to come by for many points of discussion or disagreement. About the best we can hope for on a lot of this stuff is a relatively solid hypothesis.

The proof is in the pudding. We put the Sandinistas to rout, it is true. And now Ortega is back in power with more legitamacy. Latin America is heading left in a much bigger way than back in the 80s. Perhaps our heavy handed quashing of the neophyte experiment in Nic., hard on the heels of our support for a guy whose family could have given Saddam and boys a stiff contest in corrupt brutality dept. didn't sit well with many young Latin Am. thinkers, movers, and shakers.

And how badly has Vietnam fared in the interim? I've said nothing about the desperate gibberish that Bush was putting out during his trip there. "The lesson of VN is we'll succeed if we don't quit"....?????? Or something close to that. He also mentioned something about being in the country that "tormented us so" back in the day. Tormented us?!??

The man gives new breadth and dimension to "CLUELESS."

It's ironic that if the Goldwater solution that he favored had been implemented, it would have been far less likely, IMHO, that he would have been visiting a Vietnam which welcomed him, and one growing in leaps and bounds in the prosperity dept.

After our departure, rather than gleefully entering Red China's embrace, the VNese had to fight them off. They also put an end to Pol Pot and henchmen.

I fully believe that much of our current grief in Iraq stems from metaphysical as well as cause and effect lingering baggage from Vietnam. We didn't get it then and we've stepped in it again. Goodbye blood and treasure.

aklim · #3 12-15-2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

And how badly has Vietnam fared in the interim? I've said nothing about the desperate gibberish that Bush was putting out during his trip there. "The lesson of VN is we'll succeed if we don't quit"....?????? Or something close to that. He also mentioned something about being in the country that "tormented us so" back in the day. Tormented us?!??

The man gives new breadth and dimension to "CLUELESS."

After our departure, rather than gleefully entering Red China's embrace, the VNese had to fight them off. They also put an end to Pol Pot and henchmen.

We did quit before we started in VN. If you are not going all out to win at any and all costs, you have quit before you started. I don't know where you were in the 70s but Asia was skittish about the flow of communism too. Some have even argued that with the slow down of the communists, it might have bought them time to prepare themselves and take care of the local elements who are sympathizers.

And yet none of the clued people are stepping up to the plate. I wonder why.

China didn't exactly cozy up to Russia either. The cooperated on many projects but as always, they wanted their brand of communism to remain. Yes, China is communist but they would also try put the moves on their weaker neighbor. Nothing new.