Jessica Lunsford's killer eligible for the DP!! - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

MTI · #31 08-09-2007, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Let me ask you tis, are you completely opposed to the DP?

Fair question, and the answer is yes. We have other methods of punishment that do not put innocents at risk of paying the ultimate price for a system's inherent mistakes.

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Let's assume, arguendo, that a system was designed that would guarantee with 100% certainty, that a convicted criminal was indeed guilty of the crime that he is charged with.

Just play along for the sake of this exercise. If such a system was designed, would you then still be opposed to the DP?

If we're designing castles in the air, why don't we also create a judicial and trial system that is color blind, impassionate and as blind as lady justice is with her scales.

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If that is your position on the DP, then say so and that's fine. But don't try to tell me that our system is flawed (or that other systems are better than ours). I work in the system, been doing so for over two decades and I know how well it works, for all of our citizens.

My objection position against the death penalty is fairly simple. It has nothing to do with which nation's judicial system is "fairer" or "efficient." The foundation of my belief is that it would be better to prosecute and incarcerate the most heinous killer or miscreant, than to support a system of punishment that has the potential kill innocents and call it justice.

Mistress · #32 08-09-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

JD was right in his first post. Another useless thread.

Conyo Chico- This is a good thread, after reading your post on how the process works, I want to quit my job shooting hooters and come work for you!

Dee8go · #33 08-09-2007, 11:04 AM

It's amazing how many people are wrongfully convicted of crimes in a system which is designed to err on the side of letting the guilty go free as opposed to wrongfully convicting the innocent. I can't imagine the per centages of wrongful convictions where the system is far less liberal.

John Grisham's recent book An Innocent Man was pretty scary. This fellow (there were actually several mentioned) was failed by the whole system, not just ONE police dept., prosecutor,court, etc.

R Leo · #34 08-09-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

Conyo Chico- This is a good thread, after reading your post on how the process works, I want to quit my job shooting hooters and come work for you!

Hooter shooter. Heh.

SwampYankee · #35 08-09-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

Yes I have very mixed feelings about the death penalty, but not for this bastard. The learned Judge just issued his ruling that Couey is not "retarded" (his words, not mine) and is therefore eligible to be removed from the gene pool.

I for one now hope that the Judge will follow the jury's recommendation (10-2) and put him on the row.

I know this thread will probably only last ten posts or so, but I had to get it off my chest.

I hope that the general popuation in prison will take care of it sooner than the government.

John Doe · #36 08-09-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

I have no such qualms about the DP. To me it is very simple. As members of society we all enter into a social "contract" with one another. When a member of the group breaks the contract, by doing something like what this waste of skin did, he forfeits the right to live in our society.

Separation from society, by mean of the DP, is the price he pays for his actions.

My qualms arise from working on two cases where the wrong guy was on the row. It happens and unlike the law of averages being ok in most cases, it isn't when we are talking about a human life.

John Doe · #37 08-09-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

It's going to cost you more to kill him though.

No it won't.

John Doe · #38 08-09-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

That's why the thread is useless. Like the synthetic vs. dyno oil threads.

I don't necessarily think it is useless. I just meant it would probably degenerate iinto a bunch of cliche one-liners from anti and pro death penalty bandwagoneers (which it has). Several people reading this thread may have daughters and haven't been following the Lunsford case as we (I) have. If one of those people changes their minds on the dp for child killers or keeps a closer watch on his child as a result of being informed of Jessica and Couey's fate--the thread will have not been useless

John Doe · #39 08-09-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Fair question, and the answer is yes. We have other methods of punishment that do not put innocents at risk of paying the ultimate price for a system's inherent mistakes.

If we're designing castles in the air, why don't we also create a judicial and trial system that is color blind, impassionate and as blind as lady justice is with her scales.

My objection position against the death penalty is fairly simple. It has nothing to do with which nation's judicial system is "fairer" or "efficient." The foundation of my belief is that it would be better to prosecute and incarcerate the most heinous killer or miscreant, than to support a system of punishment that has the potential kill innocents and call it justice.

Nothing wrong with any of this and thanks for not quoting bumper stickers in support of your respected position on this very serious issue.

John Doe · #40 08-09-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

I hope that the general popuation in prison will take care of it sooner than the government.

If he is sentenced to death as the jury has recommended he will never be in gen pop he will go to a solitary cell on the row. Too bad because I agree with you.

tankdriver · #41 08-09-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

No it won't.

That's what this says:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7

Personally, I'm for the death penalty. I don't think people should be executed because it's cheaper, but because of what they did.

John Doe · #42 08-09-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

That's what this says:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7

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I'm splittin' hairs, but dpic info is that it costs more to try dp cases than it does to try cases where death is not an option and LWOP is the max sentence. This is probably true. But what you said is that it would be cheaper not to kill him and that is incorrect at this point. The trial is over and he gets his appeals (which have two more bites at the apple than non-dp appeals, so yes they cost more) but chances are they will fry him within eight years and he is only about 50 so he could potentially spend 35 more in prison if he gets life without parole. Cheaper to fry him at this juncture

I kind of knew what you meant and where you probably were getting your info from, so take no offense at my response--I just wanted to illucidate the difference.

Botnst · #43 08-09-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

If the threshold is 100% certainty then that changes the standard of punishment from, "beyond reasonable doubt" to "beyond any doubt" which includes both reasonable doubt and unreasonable doubt. Now that's silly, isn't it?

So what is your standard?

B

Bumpppppp.

BENZ-LGB · #44 08-09-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

Conyo Chico- This is a good thread, after reading your post on how the process works, I want to quit my job shooting hooters and come work for you!

Mija, you can work for me anytime you want. Come on down to California. If you see some of the crime pics that I've seen, you'd know how much help these guys need!

Mistress · #45 08-09-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Mija, you can work for me anytime you want. Come on down to California. If you see some of the crime pics that I've seen, you'd know how much help these guys need!

I have many hours logged down in the morgue...