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Old 11-12-2007, 12:34 AM
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Wake up call for US Navy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811


The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

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Old 11-12-2007, 01:25 AM
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The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
Sounds funny! Red-Faced!
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:32 AM
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:35 AM
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Golly, when did that happen?
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:38 AM
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Indeed..........
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:48 AM
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Don't lick the commie sub.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:28 AM
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This is not good,,,, it seems that China is WAY ahead technology wise that we ever imagined.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:40 AM
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This is not good,,,, it seems that China is WAY ahead technology wise that we ever imagined.

They may not be way ahead but they seem to be taking steps in the right direction. Not good news for India as well, India and China fought one real bad war in 1962 with India being in the receiving end. Now Chinese are making claims across the border to areas under Indian control and this kind of news is wake up call for India as well.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:56 AM
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This is nothing new. Navies everywhere fear low signature diesel electrics operating in the littoral environment. It's ironic that those boats are considered trailing edge by the uninformed yet are, by their nature, some of the most stealthy submarines built.


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With the shift in focus from global confrontation to regional conflicts in shallow water and littoral zones, a deficiency became obvious regarding the capability of undersea weapons to successfully attack threat submarines under such harsh environmental conditions. Moreover, the problem is compounded by low-signature diesel/electric submarines operating in the shallow waters armed with modern, lethal weapons. Technological superiority and affordability of next-generation undersea weapons is needed to ensure the ability to cope with an evolving threat in harsh environments. The return on investment includes the capability to provide deep-water-equivalent performance against the quiet, small diesel/electric targets in shallow water, which will be available in the mid term (i.e., 3 to 5 years). By employing broadband sensors and signal processing, the capability to defeat sophisticated countermeasures will be available in the far term. A new capability to disable incoming torpedoes will be available to the fleet in about 5 years. In addition, significant efforts are directed toward reducing cost of ownership through commonality of subsystem hardware and software and, where possible, entire systems over the next 3-10 years.
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This is the second time this has happend in a couple years, IMO its a pretty stupid move to move within a carriers safety zone, thats how wars are started.

Besides I don't think firing a torpedo at a US carrier would do much good because the carriers have some nifty anti torpedo devices.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:40 AM
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Ditto that.

The diesel electrics are definitely a threat...and with the Chinese pulling crap like that it only give me more motivation to move ahead with my military career. The future is scary.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:22 AM
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This is the second time this has happend in a couple years, IMO its a pretty stupid move to move within a carriers safety zone, thats how wars are started.

Besides I don't think firing a torpedo at a US carrier would do much good because the carriers have some nifty anti torpedo devices.
One doesn't learn about the technical threat of potential adversaries by staying safely in port.

Entering disputed waters is risky but that's the only way to keep disputed sea lanes open to commerce. This is precisely why Reagan ordered a carrier into waters off the coast of Libya that Libya claimed as part of their territory.

Sometimes things are not as they seem.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:26 AM
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China isn't same entity as Libya. This could have turned nasty or it was just China testing US systems, either way, its a wake up call for sure.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:30 AM
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One doesn't learn about the technical threat of potential adversaries by staying safely in port.

Entering disputed waters is risky but that's the only way to keep disputed sea lanes open to commerce. This is precisely why Reagan ordered a carrier into waters off the coast of Libya that Libya claimed as part of their territory.

Sometimes things are not as they seem.

I agree with you but we have to rely on our Admirals and ship commanders to exercise restrain when a threat appears. Much like the patrols on the East/West German borders, or the games in South America that could easily been misconstrued as acts of war....which they were but there was a process to make sure it didn't look that way.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:38 AM
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It certainly is a wake up-call I'm surprised the sub would show it hand, why not keep it a secret that they are able to get with target range undetected.

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