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cmac2012 · #**121** 11-20-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Oh, yeah, if we had only stayed until we lost 100,000 american lives we would have won.

Tom W

Yup. The swollen ego of the American male is truly a phenomenon. If we take up arms, well the only just and proper outcome is that we stand upon a heap of the slain enemy and proclaim victory.

Vietnam was utterly lost -- fighting a war based on body counts alone is assinine and criminal.

And the hawks are going to go on about "surrender" up until and during their dying day.

cmac2012 · #**122** 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Pretty good, now that the media and pol's are fixated on mortgages the Generals are being General's and the Soldiers are getting the job done.

After we overthew Mossadeq in Iran in '53, it looked for a time like we'd stuck in our thumb and pulled out a plum. Then we came up against the hidden and smoldering unintended consequences. Still dealing with that. Oopsie.

Oh boy. Some stability has returned to Iraq. Hidden just out of view are the untold numbers of newly inspired Jihadists who will remember the slaughter of family and friends up until the time the find some way to take revenge.

I'm not surprised that a war weariness is settling in and some calming is occuring. I suspect the fervent nationalists are biding their time.

cmac2012 · #**123** 11-20-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

The analogy works and you know it. Thank you for serving and I don't belittle it one bit, matter of fact I sent out many notes, calls, ect....to friends and relatives honoring their service last week. My dad and members of this forum included.

Past service or not, I doubt you would call me full of **** to my face. Did you learn this manner of anonymous slander in the Army or from a daughter perhaps? Being a bitter old man doesn't give you the right to say a young guy you haven't met can't testify to his convictions.

Talk $h!t.

Emmerich · #**124** 11-21-2007, 12:33 AM

Who said Vietnam was lost? Someone needs to research what the true goal was, you might find it turned out nicely. Not saying it went as planned, but the big picture goals were met. And it hindsight, again by chance, not staying and occupying is probably a good thing. We would still be playing daddy to those asswipes too cowardly to stand up and defend their own country. In that sense, Iraq is like Vietnam. Or more precisely, the Iraqi people are like the S Vietnamese. Where are the S. Korean types, fighters, willing to stand up and fight?

t walgamuth · #**125** 11-21-2007, 06:13 AM

That sounds like an attempt to take the administrations line on the present Iraq situation and mold it backwards onto Vietnam.

Tom W

aklim · #**126** 11-21-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

After we overthew Mossadeq in Iran in '53, it looked for a time like we'd stuck in our thumb and pulled out a plum. Then we came up against the hidden and smoldering unintended consequences. Still dealing with that. Oopsie.

So if we didn't fool around with that situation, would there be consequences too? You seem to think there wouldn't.

Gurkha · #**127** 11-21-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So if we didn't fool around with that situation, would there be consequences too? You seem to think there wouldn't.

Why not go to war with China and Russia and end it all, also take out Cuba and North Korea along as well. That would be real fooling around wouldn't it.

Dee8go · #**128** 11-21-2007, 09:46 AM

It seems as though the founding fathers of this country had the right idea. They thought it prudent to keep out of the internal affairs of other countries and to avoid alliances with them. For most of our history getting involved in such things has not worked out too well.

Gurkha · #**129** 11-21-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee8go

It seems as though the founding fathers of this country had the right idea. They thought it prudent to keep out of the internal affairs of other countries and to avoid alliances with them. For most of our history getting involved in such things has not worked out too well.

Exactly...........unless we have strong proven and not concocted evidence that the country is downright hostile to us and in a state of launching an all out war, its just not worth it and in any case, a economic stranglehold works wonder and US has all the clout to do so with total impunity.

csp97 · #**130** 11-21-2007, 01:05 PM

Nothing like a bunch of Marines to bring peace to the Middle East.

How many divisions does Al Queda have right now anyway?

guage · #**131** 11-21-2007, 01:29 PM

I wonder if our Armed Service branches are having a hard-time meeting recruitment goals?

dynalow · #**132** 11-21-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by guage

I wonder if our Armed Service branches are having a hard-time meeting recruitment goals?

I'm not sure this answers your question, but..

http://www.army.mil/recruitingandretention/

Botnst · #**133** 11-21-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee8go

It seems as though the founding fathers of this country had the right idea. They thought it prudent to keep out of the internal affairs of other countries and to avoid alliances with them. For most of our history getting involved in such things has not worked out too well.

Post WWI, the country turned inward, believing that the internal affairs of Europe were of no concern to the USA.

The trick has always been determining where the internal affairs of one country end and ours begin, and vice-versa. For example, some people think that Iran is a danger to the USA but I have never heard of anybody suggesting that they are meddling within the borders of the 50 states. Same with North Korea and with Pakistan.

Same with Afghanistan on September 10, 2001.

Chas H · #**134** 11-21-2007, 05:03 PM

Did Afghanistan pose a threat on Sept 11, 2001?

aklim · #**135** 11-21-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Why not go to war with China and Russia and end it all, also take out Cuba and North Korea along as well. That would be real fooling around wouldn't it.

He was talking about us fooling around in Iran. Well, we got 20 good years out of it. Now, are you saying that letting the cards fall where they may was a better option?