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Old 01-08-2008, 05:42 PM
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Nasa report on airline safety released - no reason to feel safer - Pilots asleep?

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As a B-777 Captain currently flying international routes, completely agree with the comments of RustyAimer. The American public will only hear of the significant problems facing today’s air carriers after the next accident. Of course the FAA will roll out the public relations machinery to help explain that this accident is an isolated event that won’t happen next week when you are riding on the airline, so don’t worry. The NTSB will assure you that the airlines are all operating within current FAA regulations (and then they will talk about their 10 most wanted improvements that have not been acted upon in years.)

The problem is that the current FAA regulations are not keeping up with the “new reality” in american air carrier operations. In the past 10 years with the bankruptcies of numerous major airlines and the massive concessions made by career airline employees, we are operating in a new world. In the past, the FAA did not really have to worry about many of the safety issues that face us today because the employees of the airlines negotiated contracts that assured a significant margin in safety over and above the MINIMUM requirements the FAA imposes on the airlines. Now after a trip through the bankruptcy court the corporate vultures have successfully argued that the FAA minimum safety standards are all that the company needs to comply with. There is no requirement to exceed these standards by any real margin.

In the past the FAA MINIMUM standards were just that. An absolute minimum standard of operation. Today company executives target these minimum acceptable safety standards as their operations goals. Anything above the FAA MINIMUM is just a waste of money and puts in jeopardy their management bonus payments. This is the mentality of today’s senior airline executive. Remember that the next time you go shopping for a ticket. The odds are massively in your favor when you fly today that you will arrive safely, but it is no thanks to those senior airline executives that have raped the employees and have removed a valuable layer of the safety network that we have all come to rely upon for decades to help ensure a acceptable margin of safety over the FAA minimum standards.
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"Pilots asleep on flight deck is a problem," one pilot said. Another suggested that survey workers ask pilots how often they fall asleep in the cockpit.

The reports included discussions of pilots' difficulties in talking to controllers in busy airspace. Air traffic control "capacity inadequate to handle traffic load," one pilot reported.

"There are too many people on the frequency, and they are causing a safety problem," another pilot responded.


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Old 01-08-2008, 05:48 PM
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Another reason why we recommend everyone get their own airplane and/or helicopter and learn to fly it.

So far – It seems Mistress is the only one here figuring this out.
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:37 PM
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Actually....

I think most of the problems stem from the airline pilot’s military training.
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:57 PM
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It's the fault of agricultural crop dusters and the farmer cabal.

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Old 01-08-2008, 07:01 PM
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Flying is still the safest way to travel. Interestingly, I read somewhere that walking is the most dangerous. It seems getting hit by cars is the major problem with that mode of transportation.
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Old 01-08-2008, 09:39 PM
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I think most of the problems stem from the airline pilot’s military training.
I can always tell when a Navy pilot lands the airplane. It slams down onto the runway right between the first and second markings and the thrust reversers come on with a vengeance. No just-above-stall-speed floating landings for these jocks.
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Old 01-08-2008, 10:06 PM
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One of my profs in college had been a Naval Aviator, flying some sort of ASW aircraft. he said the difference between pilots like him and a fighter pilot was that he got into the airplane and flew it. Fighter jocks strap it on.

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Old 01-08-2008, 10:12 PM
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"Pilots asleep on flight deck is a problem,"
Doesn't really bother me. Airplane technology is so advanced that it can pretty much take off, fly and land itself, the pilot is basically just for backup.
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Old 01-09-2008, 10:17 AM
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Doesn't really bother me. Airplane technology is so advanced that it can pretty much take off, fly and land itself, the pilot is basically just for backup.
This is what I thought when I read it too. Nickname for autopilot is autosleep.
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Old 01-09-2008, 11:22 AM
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I think most of the problems stem from the airline pilot’s military training.
That's a funny picture....lol.

But seriously....is that what you look like before you've had your morning coffee?
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That's a funny picture....lol.

But seriously....is that what you look like before you've had your morning coffee?
Actually - That would be me after the morning cofay, on a ride with the wife in the 300L.
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:55 PM
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They must be bored, these guys never fell asleep!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cx6V0QAVEU
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Old 01-09-2008, 04:52 PM
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Actually - That would be me after the morning cofay, on a ride with the wife in the 300L.
lol.

Well, at least your sense of humor is in tact.
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Old 01-09-2008, 07:44 PM
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Another reason why we recommend everyone get their own airplane and/or helicopter and learn to fly it.

So far – It seems Mistress is the only one here figuring this out.
Me too! I just need more money, flying is expensive. I already have a few hours logged in a Cessna 180 and 182. I have completed the Cessna pilot center training course. My dad who has owned an airplane rental company, ex pilot and ex exhibition skydiver has a good friend right down the road from me that rebuilds Cessna's and other aircraft from hurricanes and what not in his hanger. He said he will let me use his planes if I can hire an instructor and pay for gas! Good deal but gas and an instructor is still mucho $. As soon as I get my private pilots licence I'm going to buy a 150 or 180 for $10K-$15K, rebuild and have it certified by my dads friend. Gotta get a hanger too. More $ Hopefully sooner than later, I love flying. My first experience was at 8. Yes, I mean actually flying the plane.
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Old 01-09-2008, 07:56 PM
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Here's a 185 my dad's friend just finished:

Before...


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Here's the website for more pics..
http://www.aircraftsystemsmanagement.com/cessnaN567MV/index.htm

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