In my kid's school system if there is a fight, all participants are expelled, no question. No fault assault and battery is a new concept to me. I think the adminstration is cowardly, taking the easy way out and punishing the innocent as well as guilty in order to avoid confrontations with angry parents.

To me, it breeds two types of people: Go for broke types and cattle. The Go For Broker folks know that regardless of who did what, they're busted so they go all-out, f**k-it. The cattle endure anything to avoid a problem.

I teach my kids from childhood that they must use their judgement if they believe they are unambiguously in the right, never back-down.

What do you think?

Amen, brother Bot!

Yeah, we're becoming a nation of pussies. Either that, or a nation of delinquents. Where the hell is Paul Kersey!?

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Yeah, what you said. If you think your right, never ever back down. Stand your ground, this no-fault crap is just that, crap. The schools policy sounds like a breeding ground for pussies, pussys.(?)

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Pussy, multiplied.

It seems great minds think alike . . .

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In that situation, I would tell my kids to try to work things out verbally or get an authority involved if possible. If you get hit first, hit back, since you're going to be expelled anyway. Also, have BIG friends and you might avoid confrontation all together.

I agree that standing up for yourself in school is essential. If you don't stand up for yourself, you become a target for everyone.

Then again, the atmosphere at my school was much like "The Lord of the Flies" or a prison population. Most student violence that was seen was overlooked by the teachers and that which wasn't seen happened regularly in the bathrooms and other areas where teachers weren't present.

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B. I'm glad they are in private school,
C. I'm glad I didn't grow up in that district

Interesting topic.
I have always told my kids not to start anything but not to back down when they know they are right. My youngest (I call him Duke) has had conflict with a particular kid for some time and finally last spring (6th grade at the time) the friction escalated and the kid pushed mine. Well, after warning him several times Duke jacked the kids jaw, the kid grabbed Duke's hair; Duke told him that he fights like a girl and popped him again. Duke got 3 days of in-school suspension (mainly because he was involved in the group pine-cone throwing that led to the fight) and the other kid got 5 days for being more at fault. Come to find out that the other kid had been saying derogatory things about Duke's mom (who is deceased and whom the other kid never knew) and he had never told me about it. I told him I was proud of him for defending him mom's honor.
I thought the penalty was fair and the principal didn't lump everyone together and actually thought through the degree of the infraction a little bit. If not for the pine-cone war he might not have even done anything to my son. I might add that we are probably the only school system in the English-speaking world that still uses corporal punishment-and that's through High School! Two of the boys have gotten swats, one his 6th grade year and one his sophomore year.

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I'm just glad I'm out, school was horrible.

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cjlipps- you've done a good job raising the Dukester. Growing up we got the living crap beat out of us at school with long wooden rulers on bare knuckles. One day I got busted for chewing gum and had to stand at the blackboard on my tippy toes with my nose stuck in the gum on the blackboard....

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At my old highschool, there was literally a war going on between the Russian Population and the Asian Population... My old highschool is in the top 100 high schools in the United States too...

It was bad, people had their cars vandalized, people were suspended on a daily basis, and there were fights everyday....

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I was a big kid so I never really had a problem with anyone. However right after HS started one DB was really giving me a hard time, and started saying all this crap. I ignored it for awhile but he was getting annoying. Freshman year I had to take gym and we had a weight room which was above the gym and very quite. Usualy you had a choice you could work out up their or do whatever in the gym, the teacher was extremly fat and near retirement so he never left the gym. Their was me and four other people in the weight room plus the DB who really started ragging on me, he wasn't that smart either not realizing where he was. As he was walking past me he said something about my mother and I knocked the wind out of him, he fell right on his ***. Got up and I nailed him again, this time he stayed down. Never talked to me after that so I was pretty happy, and no one up their saw anything, funny how that works.

Sometimes you just have to put DB's in their place.

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As I get older I see more and more of this refusing to judge. It seems to be tied to this strange pedagogical paradigm that promotes equality of outcome over encouraging students to strive for personal excellence. I've been seeing it increasingly in "adults" who seem to feel entitled to a certain outcome regardless of effort or even chance, which plays a huge role in outcome.

Why is it that people believe equality of outcome is more important that right and wrong, good and bad, guilt and innocence?

B

This calls to mind that famous Ayn Rand book, Atlas Shrugged.

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I agree with the school's policy.

There seems to be a presumption in some of the responses that there's only one bad guy and one good guy in "the fight." Or that it's Eddie Haskell versus Theodore Cleaver. Well, that ain[t necessarily so.

As a parent, do I want some school administrator being the judge and jury over a case of assault? As a parent, there are other remedies available with the parents of the other child. So my thinking is to let schools educate and keep them out of the business of being a juvenile judicial system.