Turns Out, We Do Torture - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Bill Wood · #1 02-05-2008, 08:02 PM

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Waterboarding induces a feeling of imminent drowning with the restrained subject's mouth covered and water poured over his face.

"Waterboarding taken to its extreme, could be death, you could drown someone," McConnell acknowledged. He said waterboarding remains a technique in the CIA's arsenal, but it would require the consent of the president and legal approval of the attorney general.

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I have spoken with US Navy personnel who were water boarded as part of their training before doing covert operations in Vietnam back in the 1970's. They had a doctor nearby just in case somebody needed to be revived.

Google this: U.S. Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE)

Medmech · #2 02-05-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Webmaster

I have spoken with US Navy personnel who were water boarded as part of their training before doing covert operations in Vietnam back in the 1970's. They had a doctor nearby just in case somebody needed to be revived.

Google this: U.S. Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE)

There are several levels of SERE and if you want to do anything productive with your military career you have to go through it, although waterboarding is mighty unpleasant its sandbox play compared to other torture techniques.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture2.html

MTI · #3 02-05-2008, 09:14 PM

Is torture not torture, even when we said it was torture?

In "Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History of Water Torture in U.S. Courts," Judge Evan Wallach of the U.S. Court of International Trade has documented the trials in which the U.S. used evidence of water-boarding as a basis for prosecutions. The article will be published soon by the Columbia Journal of Transnational Law.

Among the numerous examples, Wallach cites one involving four Japanese defendants who were tried before a U.S. military commission at Yokohama, Japan, in 1947 for their treatment of American and Allied prisoners. Wallach writes, in the case of United States of America vs. Hideji Nakamura, Yukio Asano, Seitara Hata and Takeo Kita, "water torture was among the acts alleged in the specifications . . . and it loomed large in the evidence presented against them."

Hata, the camp doctor, was charged with war crimes stemming from the brutal mistreatment and torture of Morris Killough, "by beating and kicking him (and) by fastening him on a stretcher and pouring water up his nostrils." Other American prisoners, including Thomas Armitage, received similar treatment, according to the allegations.

Armitage described his ordeal: "They would lash me to a stretcher, then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness."

Hata was sentenced to 25 years at hard labor, and the other defendants were convicted and given long stints at hard labor as well.

Wallach also found a 1983 case out of San Jacinto County, Texas, in which James Parker, the county sheriff, and three deputies were criminally charged for handcuffing suspects to chairs, draping towels over their faces and pouring water over the towel until a confession was elicited. One victim described the experience this way: "I thought I was going to be strangled to death."

The sheriff pleaded guilty, and his deputies went to trial where they were convicted of civil rights violations. All received long prison sentences. U.S. District Judge James DeAnda told the former sheriff at sentencing, "The operation down there would embarrass the dictator of a country."

Hatterasguy · #4 02-05-2008, 10:14 PM

So what? While we are wasting time on this stupid stuff they could be planning another attack. Win the war, then you have the luxury of playing monday morning quarterback.

Botnst · #5 02-06-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

There are several levels of SERE and if you want to do anything productive with your military career you have to go through it, although waterboarding is mighty unpleasant its sandbox play compared to other torture techniques.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture2.html

Wow.