Jim Jones was "misunderstood", Marshall Applewhite was "misunderstood", Charles Manson was "Misunderstood", Timothy McVeigh was "misunderstood", the teenage Palestinian girl that walked into a Jewish wedding and blew herself and 20 other peole into bits was 'Misunderstood",a whole society of young, brainwashed children being taught to kill themselves and others is "Misunderstood",no,....... glad YOU are not running the country.

You avoided that question and turned it around on itself rather well without answering the original question.

Are you running for office, or do you not have any loved one's important enough to contemplate the scenario, or is your denial so strong that it clouds any further thought into the matter?

This is the reason why liberal talk radio can't cut it.

They can never argue an important point head on, they twist the subject to avoid any involvement in a position that may remotely disagree with their own agenda.

When are you gonna get it, YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!

They don't care if you want to talk peace with them, they don't want peace, they want to kill you and me, and everyone else that does not feel the same way as they do about the radical Islamic fascist regime.

You cannot negotiate with that.
They tried that, it does not work.

They use positions such as yours for media compassion, and would just as soon cut your throat as the guy who's actually willing to stand up to them and fight.

Move over, and let the ass kickers take care of the problem so you can ridicule them back home while they make your world safe, warm and fuzzy.

Here, here. Thanks.

I am not going to spill the beans, but you couldn't be more wrong.

'Spaz--methinks you missed a little sarcasm by a teammate

Oh sorry, let's just pretend I didn't LOL!

A little daily bruising of one's ego (mine) never hurts.

we need to kill every terrorist we can get a sight picture on, those we capture, we need to "interogate" until they tell us where we find more to kill. we are talking survival of our culture, of our nation, our children.

I have been to the middle east before. I don't want my grandchildren to grow up in a country influenced by Sh'arian law............

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If we torture people

we are becoming the terrorists.

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Then stop posting and there will be one less....

Even though I tend to FEEL like it's fine to torture terrorists sometimes, I also believe it's probably counterproductive. Also, as has been pointed out above, by using the same techniques as our enemies, we are lowering ourselves to their standards. We can't do stuff like that without doing greivous injury to ourselves. There's a price to be paid for everything.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to break out of my usually silly perspective and get all serious . . . forgive me, please.

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Took the words out of my mouth.

You can't win a war by taking the high road, thats one of those things that sounds really good in a classroom on campus. In the real world you have to walk through the same mud as the people you are trying to kill. You can't just sit back on a ship and launch a few missles, sometimes you have to beat the piss out of someone in a dirty little back room to get the needed results.

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As long as you realize the cost of doing that, that's certainly true. I've always thought it's best to fight fire with fire, but as I have gotten older, I have realized that that can take a serious toll on individuals and on nations.

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I agree with you. I think there are instances where you need to employ methods that are distasteful. My problem with the use of these methods are two-fold.

1) Making sure the guy you're beating the crap out of is a real bad guy. He could be some poor schmuck that got "informed on" by some petty power rival. He might not even be the guy that you thought he was. It happens. Torturing the wrong person because you think they have information is not consistent with the values that we hold as westerners.

2) The way in which the US government is trying to play a semantic game about what they are actually doing and why they are doing it. If the government just came out and said basically the same thing you did, then they wouldn't be hypocrites. Maybe it is too much to ask from any government or any politician. Believe me, the politicians in my country are every bit as mealy-mouthed. There are numerous instances of Canadian soldiers taking prisoners in Afghanistan, where the prisoners are "transferred" to Afghani authorities, and you just know what goes on then.

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