But only three times!

CIA Director Michael Hayden publicly confirmed for the first time the names of three suspected al-Qaida terrorists who were subjected to a particularly harsh interrogation technique known as waterboarding, and why.

"We used it against these three detainees because of the circumstances at the time," Hayden said. "There was the belief that additional catastrophic attacks against the homeland were inevitable. And we had limited knowledge about al-Qaida and its workings. Those two realities have changed."

Hayden said that Khalid Sheik Mohammed — the purported mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States — and Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri were subject to the harsh interrogations in 2002 and 2003. Waterboarding is an interrogation technique that critics call torture.

Waterboarding induces a feeling of imminent drowning with the restrained subject's mouth covered and water poured over his face.

"Waterboarding taken to its extreme, could be death, you could drown someone," McConnell acknowledged. He said waterboarding remains a technique in the CIA's arsenal, but it would require the consent of the president and legal approval of the attorney general.

Should have done it more times.
Extreme torture? Pouring water over your head while you have a towel on? Whatever.

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C'mon. If a bunch of guys were doing that to you and you had no assurance that they were going to stop in time, you'd have a different POV on it.

Waterboarding is not 'simulated' drowning, it's actual drowning, stopped short of actual death (usually).

And most everyone who's done interrogation for any length of time agrees that torture doesn't work well. Does give wanne be tough guys like Bush-o-mon a sense of power and 'we're kicking butt now. . . '

KSM has been confessing to crimes on 6 continents since they waterboarded him. Turns out he was in Dallas in November of '63. Hmmmm . . . . . .

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Oh? You couldn't actually drown someone with waterboarding techniques?

I think you could.

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Yes, you could, you could also drown by chugging a bottle of water, if they do drown it sort of defeats the purpose of the technique unless the CIA can talk to the dead.

I will quote you again and answer again.

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Who is "we"?

AFAIK, SKM has never set food on US soil or GTMO. I could be wrong. But if he's waterboarded in say, Jordan or Saudia Arabia, Pakistan or Turkey, under the auspices of that country's Govt. with a CIA guy taking notes or asking questions, are we doing the boarding?

Whether SKM gave up real or false info under interrogation, I'll lose no sleep over using the procedure on the likes of him.

I don't know of the other 2, so I offer no comment.

Fair enough. When they go around slicing people's head off, are we supposed to play good cop / bad cop with these guys?

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I guess that meas we will no longer being complaining about other nations human rights violations since we have joined their ranks.

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What does waterboarding have to do with human rights? So Darfur is the same as waterboarding????

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Does it matter if the acts took place outside the country or in a Holiday Inn in Des Moines if the Central Intelligence Agency directed it?

I look at it this way, what if it were your Mother, Daughter, Wife, Sister, Son, Father, or best friend somewhere with a camera and a rusty machete on him.
You caught a suspect that was involved but he won't talk.

Now are you gonna ask him nicely for the location, or are you gonna roll up the sleeves and work him over a bit?

I know if it were someone I loved, I would use whatever I could get my hands on to make that sucker talk and I would expect the government to do the same.

These suckers are blowing themselves up and taking as many innocent lives they can with them.

I'm sure the terrorist recruiting halls would be barren if the suicides were nice, slow and painful instead of instant kaboom!

If it works, go for it, but do it slow and painful.

Funny thing is, is that the gov don't have to tell us everything they do to get information from these scum bags.
We just hear about the stuff that leaks.

To the naysayers, I ask what is your solution?
How do we quickly get information from these pukes?

Do we just let them go to kill again?
Do we keep them for bargaining chips to be used by other killers?

What would you want done if it were a personal loved one of yours they had hidden away with a bunch of stinking rapists and murderers?

Would you sing playschool songs to them and let them play with puppy dogs and kittens until their soul softens, or would you crank up the 220 and give them a jolt that makes their teeth crack so they consider talking next time you ask the question?

I think morally (and legally) it doesn't matter, but in terms of American public perception I think it does.

This really comes as no surprise. In fact I would be surprised if they DIDN'T use torture at all.

I have spoken with US Navy personnel who were water boarded as part of their training before doing covert operations in Vietnam back in the 1970's. They had a doctor nearby just in case somebody needed to be revived.

Google this: U.S. Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE)

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There are several levels of SERE and if you want to do anything productive with your military career you have to go through it, although waterboarding is mighty unpleasant its sandbox play compared to other torture techniques.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture2.html