Some of them have to be sure. Many others haven't. How many gooks did we blow to bits cuzzin' they were GODLESS commies?

No religion goin' on there.

Many Muslims are turning against AQ and OBL. I doubt us giving Mass. a fair trial had a lot to do with it but it might have played a small part -- seeing us act mature and civilized in contrast to AQ's whack-ness.;

But where are many more turning? Where are all the massive demonstrations for OBL & Co insulting their religion with the crap he did and does? Did I miss it?

I'll agree it played a minor part. About as minor as maybe that Mr Nobody you saw in the movie. You know, the one that was in the background that walked by as part of the scene on a busy street for all of 3 seconds.

Its never the religion, its the people and their misinterpretation, particularly the zealots and there is no shortage of them in any religion to speak of. Christian Pro lifers condone violence against right to life lobby and blow up abortion clinics, few hundred years back the conquistadors wiped out civilizations in the name of religion. The list sadly goes on. The Islamists are like trapped caged animals in the arena where they know they are on the loosing side and desperate to protect themselves.

More evidence of torture:

To see the whole article go to http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/18/gitmo.detainees/index.html

Man, I have got to stop posting in invisible electrons . . .:rolleyes:

Sorry, I didn't see your link. That's why I usually just copy and paste the article. That way more people read it.

You don't have a clue. It's all speculation on your part.

People notice who is civilized and who isn't. You'd be surprised at how mature and stable many Muslims are. I've met some of them.

Touche. Exactly right. This notion that we Americans have some sort of monopoly on sane, civilized behavior is nonsense.

Circa 1900, we were perpetrating atrocities on Filipinos, referring to them as monkeys cuz they had the sense to crouch (good for the back) when resting.

And Vietnam was an unvarnished travesty.

C'mon man, you're a leftie -- no one pays any attention to you. ;)

As opposed to fact on YOUR part because you KNOW? How?

And I have met some unstable ones too. I have met them inside and, more importantly OUT of this country. What's your point? That those you met are more representative of what they are than those I met? If so, why? My point is simple. I have seen them enraged about what they perceive as offenses or slights to their religion. Yet if OBL & Co do something, little is said, if any. So, if they know how to scream and yell at a cartoon, are you trying to tell me that their silence is because they don't know how to do the same at what OBL is doing or is it because they are in agreement? Please don't tell me what the govt of a muslim state says. I could care less. Bill C does not speak for all Dems and neither do the Bushs speak for all Reps. Show me the massive hue and cries of the common people.

On the same note, I haven't seen any demonstrations in the US against Bin Laden either. And our administration doesn't even seem to try to get him. Yet many Americans get enraged about abortion and gay rights. What does that prove?

Bin Laden doesn't speak for all muslims either. Any idiot knows that. In fact today he hardly even speaks.

So you are saying that muslims can show anger at slights or even perceived slights at their religion and are media savvy, IOW, they are not clueless as to how do make a ruckus. Also, they are against what OBL has done in the name of their religion but somehow we don't hear a word about it from the common people?

There are over a billion Muslims in the world. Most don't seem to show any anger in the public about anything, including the cartoons. They just go along their daily business like you and I. Surveys show that the vast majority of Muslims are opposed to the jihadist agenda. Look it up yourself. And some have even taken up arms against Al-Qaeda, especially in Iraq and the tribal region of Pakistan. Unfortunately Al-Qaeda is still pretty strong in Pakistan and many of the anti-Al-Qaeda tribal chiefs there have been assassinated.

If you go to some of those countries and make a direct insult on their religion, let me know and I'll get tweezers to pick up what is left of you.

I'm not saying there are none that are against the jihadist agenda. I'm saying that while there are some that are against the jihadist agenda, there are probably more that are for it. I don't consider you innocent if you aren't the one with the bomb vest or the AK-47. If you supply them with money, tacit support or even give them directions to a place, you are guilty.

Do you have anything to back up that allegation?

Do you have anything to back up yours? Mine is based on their lack of response when they see what OBL does in the name of islam and their response when their religion is insulted.

there are certainly unstable muslims...however, I found during my military career that 7.62 & 5.56 cures the unstability fairly quickly.....;)

US Court: Uighurs Classification Improper

Well, at the very least, we should be glad that the biggest reason they are still being held is that we don't want to send them back to the Chinese.

And all of this time I thought we were tortuing them. Damn!

How about an "Adopt-a-Uighur" campaign?

B

Torture . . . such an ugly word for "preparing them to recieve guests from the Chinese government who have a few questions."

In some ways we have created the danger for them by isolating them from their former support system such that the only way to get them back home is through official Chinese channels.

One reason I was opposed to OIF. I'm thinking, Oh Boy, get ready for some more immigrants. Meet your new neighbors, the Uighurs.

The problem of the Uighers is not due to Uighers nor is it due to US activities. It is wholly due to the abysmal human rights behavior of the Communist Chinese government. They look upon any nonconformity as a threat to state security. Uighers don't conform to Chinese social expectations -- they are a threat.

We could easily absorb them. I'll bet within a generation or so half of them would own a MacDonald's franchise or a car dealership.

B

Probably right. I imagine the Uighers would be the easiest to safely absorb.

What you said does have merit. OTOH, I'm not sure we can trust them. After 911, before mobilization to Afghanistan, we had US soldiers that had to seek permission from some mucky muck in Saudi Arabia. While you MAY be right that public support for OBL MIGHT be decreasing, I'm still not fully sure we can trust them. If US soldiers act that way, when push comes to shove, will they back OBL?

Why would we want to absorb them? They are Chinese so if they are not enemy combatants, catch and release.

They are enemies of the state and the Chinese government is taking appropriate action to curb terrorism.

So what? They are not US citizens that we are sending to China. Let China do whatever is necessary to curb terrorism in their own way.

Agreed........

It's bad form on our part. Were they in direct danger from the Chinese govt. when we picked them up? If we hand them over to the Chinese, they will probably be in serious danger, and we will have been part of judging them, perhaps executing them, and from what I can see, there's no charge against them at all.

If they weren't doing something that would have pissed off the Chinese govt then, why would it do so now?

Let My Uighur Go!

“I think the moment has arrived for the court to shine the light of constitutionality on the reasons for detention,” Judge Urbina said.