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Detainees at military bases tortured.
Hundreds had noting to do with terrorism.
Being detained made prisoners more radicalized against US.
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NPR, All Things Considered, June 15, 2008

· The McClatchy newspaper chain begins a series Sunday documenting abuses of detainees at American military bases in Afghanistan.
The series also alleges that many of the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have little or no connection to terrorism.
McClatchy reporter Tom Lasseter talks to host Andrea Seabrook about the series.

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Listen to the story on NPR.

http://www.npr.org/templates/player/...737&m=91536727

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Link to the McClatchy stories.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38775.html

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Everybody who believes that the prisoners in GITMO as abused should be afforded the opportunity to adopt one.

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So far we know of 81 people that have been tortured.

And two killed.

Several of the people tortured have been innocent.

And one of the people killed was later found to be innocent.

RichC

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Wrong.

You know of 81 allegations and 2 have died.

The government admits to 4 people (IIRC) subjected to extraordinary techniques of interrogation (or whatever their euphemism is).

For example, are all allegations of "police brutality" true? I don't think so, though I have no doubt police brutality does occur.

Are any of these particular allegations true? I don't know.

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I am simply quoting the stories by reporters.

And they did not use the word " allegedly "

They have seen the detainees,
and have sit and talked with them.

They have far better knowledge of what happened than you or I.

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The "alleged" Mad Scientist
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This is what I would call "biased reporting by the media". All they have is allegations of the supposed victims or even worse, from their attorneys.

I would never assume that a reporter, has better information than I have. That is one-step removed from taking a reporter's opinion as evidence. A reporter should never express his or her opinion, they should stick with reporting facts. To do otherwise misinforms the weak-minded reader guiding thim or her to reach conclusions that maybe unwarranted.


B

Having been on the wrong end of a newspaper interview more than once, I can assure you that one who accepts a reporter's word as gospel is a fool indeed.

Today's WSJ

REVIEW & OUTLOOK


Afghan Prison Break
June 16, 2008
The Supreme Court ruled last Thursday that the writ of habeas corpus should apply to non-American terrorist detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. The Taliban delivered its own commentary on the ruling the very next day, when it busted into a prison in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar and freed 1,150 prisoners, of whom 400 are Taliban members and the other 750 easy potential conscripts. Call it habeas corpus, Taliban-style.

The connection between these events is not merely their timing. The point of keeping enemy combatants at a remote location like Guantanamo is that it offers some assurance that they will not return to the battlefield to kill more Americans – something many have done when given the chance. Yet last week's Boumediene decision makes it all but certain that Gitmo will soon be shutting (or should we say opening) its doors.

The High Court's 5-4 decision will also likely bear on the "rights" that captured enemy combatants will now try to claim when detained by the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan and other theaters in the war on terror. As a result, the U.S. military is likely to transfer an increasing number of captured terrorists to local prison authorities, if only to avoid the endless judicial landmines it can expect trying to win convictions in U.S. court.
Fantasies about "torture" at Guantanamo notwithstanding, we have yet to meet the person who thinks the rights of the detainees are better assured in their native lands, whether that's Afghanistan, Egypt, China or even France (recently listed by Foreign Policy magazine as one of the five worst places in the world to be a terrorist). As for security, the Kandahar prison break is not the Taliban's first, and it won't be its last. To the extent that the Supreme Court has made secure detentions more difficult, it has made the task of our troops more dangerous.

See all of today's editorials and op-eds, plus video commentary, on Opinion Journal.

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Breaking news !!!
This just in,,, Taliban watches court TV and military bases are insecure....

That is ridiculous.

They are suggesting that the Taliban have retaliated against the United States giving detainees back their habeas rights by breaking people out of jail....

I guess they get court TV over there or something.

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And who says military jails are more secure than the ones we have now?

They must not be that secure, because the Taliban just busted all the
people out of one.

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Talk about bad reporting.
And not much thought being put into a story.
But I guess that is what you get when you listen to
a biased news source.

More from Neo Conservative Radio, right after this message.

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You have to be careful though, those terrorists are deviant. Did you know that several committed suicide in their cells? Why, that was an act of war against us. Diabolical bastids.

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Denial.

I have yet to see a decent rebuttal of the Seton Hall Report that claimed, based on careful examination of DoD documents, that only 5% or so of detainees were captured in the heat of battle by US forces. 86% were captured by forces either of Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to US forces.

In a region where tribal competition and hostilities were rampant, our guys put up posters urging people to get rich by turning in the enemy. Apparently, those who were enemies to the bounty hunters were frequently not really our enemies, at least not then.

After several years of being treated like crap by Uncle Sam, is it any wonder that many of them are only to happy to be our enemy now?

Your response here indicates why you no longer have credibility on this issue.

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Now that we know these prisoners are radicalized against the US, we should go ahead and kill them while they are still in custody.

Absolutely not. We have too many bleeding hearts that will cry foul. Now, OTOH, if someone else were to do it or an accident happens or killed while escaping, that would be different.

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So we take innocent people and detain them.
And because of that they becone more likely to retilate.
So we should kill them.

Makes no sense at all.

Why not let there be heabeus rights and let the innocent go ?

RichC

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It makes perfect sense: you've reported they are a danger now, so if we kill them, its a no-brainer that they won't hurt me.

I disagreed with the extension of habeus rights to the detainees, that's why.