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Botnst 06-23-2008 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 1892011)
US Court: Uighurs Classification Improper

Well, at the very least, we should be glad that the biggest reason they are still being held is that we don't want to send them back to the Chinese.
And all of this time I thought we were tortuing them. Damn!

How about an "Adopt-a-Uighur" campaign?

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MTI 06-23-2008 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1892017)
And all of this time I thought we were tortuing them. Damn!

How about an "Adopt-a-Uighur" campaign?

B

Torture . . . such an ugly word for "preparing them to recieve guests from the Chinese government who have a few questions."

cmac2012 06-24-2008 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1892017)
And all of this time I thought we were tortuing them. Damn!

How about an "Adopt-a-Uighur" campaign?
In some ways we have created the danger for them by isolating them from their former support system such that the only way to get them back home is through official Chinese channels.

One reason I was opposed to OIF. I'm thinking, Oh Boy, get ready for some more immigrants. Meet your new neighbors, the Uighurs.

Botnst 06-24-2008 08:56 AM
The problem of the Uighers is not due to Uighers nor is it due to US activities. It is wholly due to the abysmal human rights behavior of the Communist Chinese government. They look upon any nonconformity as a threat to state security. Uighers don't conform to Chinese social expectations -- they are a threat.

We could easily absorb them. I'll bet within a generation or so half of them would own a MacDonald's franchise or a car dealership.

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cmac2012 06-24-2008 08:31 PM
Probably right. I imagine the Uighers would be the easiest to safely absorb.

aklim 06-25-2008 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1889468)
What you said does have merit. OTOH, I'm not sure we can trust them. After 911, before mobilization to Afghanistan, we had US soldiers that had to seek permission from some mucky muck in Saudi Arabia. While you MAY be right that public support for OBL MIGHT be decreasing, I'm still not fully sure we can trust them. If US soldiers act that way, when push comes to shove, will they back OBL?

aklim 06-25-2008 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1892332)
The problem of the Uighers is not due to Uighers nor is it due to US activities. It is wholly due to the abysmal human rights behavior of the Communist Chinese government. They look upon any nonconformity as a threat to state security. Uighers don't conform to Chinese social expectations -- they are a threat.

We could easily absorb them. I'll bet within a generation or so half of them would own a MacDonald's franchise or a car dealership.

B
Why would we want to absorb them? They are Chinese so if they are not enemy combatants, catch and release.

Gurkha 06-25-2008 06:08 AM
They are enemies of the state and the Chinese government is taking appropriate action to curb terrorism.

aklim 06-25-2008 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gurkha (Post 1893198)
They are enemies of the state and the Chinese government is taking appropriate action to curb terrorism.
So what? They are not US citizens that we are sending to China. Let China do whatever is necessary to curb terrorism in their own way.

Gurkha 06-25-2008 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1893420)
So what? They are not US citizens that we are sending to China. Let China do whatever is necessary to curb terrorism in their own way.
Agreed........

cmac2012 06-26-2008 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1893420)
So what? They are not US citizens that we are sending to China. Let China do whatever is necessary to curb terrorism in their own way.
It's bad form on our part. Were they in direct danger from the Chinese govt. when we picked them up? If we hand them over to the Chinese, they will probably be in serious danger, and we will have been part of judging them, perhaps executing them, and from what I can see, there's no charge against them at all.

aklim 06-26-2008 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1894021)
It's bad form on our part. Were they in direct danger from the Chinese govt. when we picked them up? If we hand them over to the Chinese, they will probably be in serious danger, and we will have been part of judging them, perhaps executing them, and from what I can see, there's no charge against them at all.
If they weren't doing something that would have pissed off the Chinese govt then, why would it do so now?

MTI 10-07-2008 11:54 PM
Let My Uighur Go!

“I think the moment has arrived for the court to shine the light of constitutionality on the reasons for detention,” Judge Urbina said.


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