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Hatterasguy · #46 06-26-2008, 10:18 PM

Yeah but those were pretty little and short lived. Their is always some little pudunk town trying to succeed from the union. Heck I think a town in the FL Keys does it once a year and has a big party with the Coast Guard.

The Civil War was a serious organized affair, the south set up their own government and printed their own currancy etc. They also had a proper military with some truely splended commanders.

pj67coll · #47 06-27-2008, 11:19 AM

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Disagree on the revolution, since the British Empire put that government in place and ran it.

The British Empire put those colonies in place and ran them. The inhabbitants were British citizens and there was no such thing as America. Therefore the continentals were in rebellion against their own government and it was a civil war. The only reason it's seen as a war of "independence" instead of a civil war today is that the rebels won.

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One of the main points of the revolution was that it wasn't their own government, remember taxation without representation.

The fact that the government may have been crap, doesn't change the fact that it was the government - against which its own citizenry rebelled.

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You must be from the very deep old south if you refer to the civil war like that.

Nope. Just accepting the legalities of the situation. Given that the US only came into existance because the folks figured it was legit to secceed from the host country if they didn't like it, and that that is exactly what the south did later on, the Union had no legal right to force the south back into the fold thru military action. Once again. That point is happily glossed over as history is written by the victors.

- Peter.

have mercy · #48 06-28-2008, 09:25 PM

hey send your boy over there. are you better know than you where 8 years ago?
after arms for coke for hostage.(ron raygun with iran who we can not talk to. turned to dem.1 thing george did was give me my boy back (WAS REP.) told him not to trust him the day after we won the war. son called from bagdad int. said i was right he was wrong
thank you george. and 1 more joke about WV from vp and he can come here ,we can go from there, anytime he wants maybe rush is right do more OXC

Botnst · #49 06-28-2008, 09:43 PM

Holy Mackerel, Andy! What was that?

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Hatterasguy · #50 06-28-2008, 10:53 PM

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The British Empire put those colonies in place and ran them. The inhabbitants were British citizens and there was no such thing as America. Therefore the continentals were in rebellion against their own government and it was a civil war. The only reason it's seen as a war of "independence" instead of a civil war today is that the rebels won.

The fact that the government may have been crap, doesn't change the fact that it was the government - against which its own citizenry rebelled.

Nope. Just accepting the legalities of the situation. Given that the US only came into existance because the folks figured it was legit to secceed from the host country if they didn't like it, and that that is exactly what the south did later on, the Union had no legal right to force the south back into the fold thru military action. Once again. That point is happily glossed over as history is written by the victors.

- Peter.

I don't agree with much of that and most historians don't either.

The revolution did not originaly start out as a war of independence, but thats what it turned into fairly quickly.

The Civil War was a test of the Constitution, luckly it held. The Constitution provides a right to change the government if it fails to serve the people, it does not provide the right to disolve it or succed from the Union. That was the whole crux of the Civil War really, slavery was tacked on later; but not until Lincoln was pretty sure we would win.