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Old 07-09-2008, 03:36 PM
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Iran test-fires missiles in Persian Gulf

Iran test-fires missiles in Persian Gulf


By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran test-fired nine long- and medium-range missiles Wednesday during war games that officials said aimed to show the country can retaliate against any U.S. or Israeli attack, state television reported.
Oil prices jumped on news of the missile tests, rising US$1.44 to US$137.48 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
The military exercise was being conducted at the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic waterway at the mouth of the Persian Gulf through which about 40 percent of the world's oil passes. Iran has threatened to shut down traffic in the strait if attacked. It was not clear, however, whether the missile test also took place near the strait.
Gen. Hossein Salami, the air force commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, said the exercise would "demonstrate our resolve and might against enemies who in recent weeks have threatened Iran with harsh language," the TV report said.
Footage showed at least six missiles firing simultaneously, and said the barrage included a new version of the Shahab-3 missile, which officials have said has a range of 1,250 miles (2,000 kilometers) and is armed with a 1-ton conventional warhead. The television report did not specify where the launch took place.
That would put Israel, Turkey, the Arabian peninsula, Afghanistan and Pakistan within striking distance.
"Our hands are always on the trigger and our missiles are ready for launch," the official IRNA news agency quoted Salami as saying Wednesday.
The report comes less than a day after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissed fears that Israel and the United States could be preparing to attack his country, calling the possibility a "funny joke."
"I assure you that there won't be any war in the future," Ahmadinejad told a news conference Tuesday during a visit to Malaysia for a summit of developing Muslim nations.
But even as Ahmadinejad and other Iranian officials have dismissed the possibility of attack, Tehran has stepped up its warnings of retaliation if the Americans — or Israelis — do launch military action, including threats to hit Israel and U.S. Gulf bases with missiles and stop oil traffic from the Gulf.
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Wednesday's tests "evidence that the missile threat is not an imaginary one."
"Those who say that there is no Iranian missile threat against which we should build a missile defense system perhaps ought to talk to the Iranians about their claims," Rice said while traveling in Sofia, Bulgaria.
On Tuesday, Rice and Czech counterpart Karel Schwarzenberg signed a deal allowing the U.S. to base a missile defense shield in the Czech Republic.
A White House spokesman called the tests "completely inconsistent with Iran's obligations to the world."
"The Iranian regime only furthers the isolation of the Iranian people from the international community when it engages in this sort of activity," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the National Security Council.
"They should also refrain from further missile tests if they truly seek to gain the trust of the world," he added, speaking from Japan where President Bush is attending the Group of Eight summit.
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said that Iran's missile tests highlight the need for direct diplomacy as well as tougher threats of economic sanctions and strong incentives to persuade Tehran to change its behavior.
John McCain, the Republican seeking the presidency, said the tests demonstrate a need for effective missile defense, including missile defense in Europe and the defense system the U.S. plans with the Czech Republic and Poland.
In late June, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, who was then the commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, said any attempt by Iran to seal off the Strait of Hormuz would be viewed as an act of war. The U.S. 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain, across the Gulf from Iran.
Israel's military sent warplanes over the eastern Mediterranean for a large military exercise in June that U.S. officials described as a possible rehearsal for a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, which the West fears are aimed at producing atomic weapons.
Iran says its nuclear program is geared only toward generating electricity, not weapons.
The Israeli exercise was widely interpreted as a show of force as well as a practice on skills needed to execute a long-range strike mission.
Shaul Mofaz, an Israeli Cabinet minister, set off an international uproar last month by saying in a published interview that Israel would have "no choice" but to attack Iran if it doesn't halt its nuclear program. Mofaz is a former military chief and defense minister, and has been Israel's representative in a strategic dialogue on Iran with U.S. officials.
On Wednesday, Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said Israel "does not desire hostility and conflict with Iran."
"But it is clear that the Iranian nuclear program and the Iranian ballistic missile program is a matter of grave concern," Regev said.
The Guards and Iran's regular army routinely hold exercises two or three times a year.

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And so starts War # 3.....

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More BS coming from our administration. Which country doesn't have missiles? And regarding the European missile defense, that's BS too. It has nothing to do with protecting Europe. The Europeans don't want it.
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:40 PM
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More BS coming from our administration. Which country doesn't have missiles?

It has nothing to do with protecting Europe.
Yeah. I guess you are right. A country hostile to us has a new missile but not biggie.

It is about protecting our interest. If we didn't have any interests there, they could burn Europe for all we care.
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More BS coming from our administration. Which country doesn't have missiles? And regarding the European missile defense, that's BS too. It has nothing to do with protecting Europe. The Europeans don't want it.
I agree that the European Missile Shield is a crock. i mean come on. the French and Germans have enough money that they have free health care and can pay their citizens to sit at home and not work. and those who do work can afford to only work 70% of the average Americans annual work hours. Its amazing what you can afford when the hard working, tax paying Americans are willing to foot the bill to protect your ars.

If the Europeans don't want it, then we should let them be in the line of fire!
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Yeah. I guess you are right. A country hostile to us has a new missile but not biggie.

It is about protecting our interest. If we didn't have any interests there, they could burn Europe for all we care.
Suppose we are only protecting the investments made thanks to the Marshall Plan.
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Interestingly, a video posted recently by ohiomike of a lecture/book sales speech by Lindsey Williams sort of predicted something like this. In the video he stated that America will have to deal with Iran in the very near future to avoid the actual threat they are planning ... which is to flood the world market with cheap oil which would supposedly collapse the American economy.

I believe Mr. Williams said that we would have to cook up a reason to attack Iran before they carried out their plans.

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I agree that the European Missile Shield is a crock. i mean come on. the French and Germans have enough money that they have free health care and can pay their citizens to sit at home and not work. and those who do work can afford to only work 70% of the average Americans annual work hours. Its amazing what you can afford when the hard working, tax paying Americans are willing to foot the bill to protect your ars.

If the Europeans don't want it, then we should let them be in the line of fire!
BS. The European missile defense is for protecting the US. Europe just happens to be on the way from Iran to US and it would allow us to shoot down any missiles early on. Nothing wrong with that, but say it as it is.

I read somewhere that productivity per hour is actually higher in France than in the US. And no they don't have "free" health care. Nothing is free.
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Interestingly, a video posted recently by ohiomike of a lecture/book sales speech by Lindsey Williams sort of predicted something like this. In the video he stated that America will have to deal with Iran in the very near future to avoid the actual threat they are planning ... which is to flood the world market with cheap oil which would supposedly collapse the American economy.

I believe Mr. Williams said that we would have to cook up a reason to attack Iran before they carried out their plans.

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How would cheap oil collapse the US economy? I think it would help if nothing else, though it would kill all prospects for alternative energy.
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Yeah. I guess you are right. A country hostile to us has a new missile but not biggie.
Be glad they have missiles, or Bush would have already invaded and we'd be seeing oil at $300 a barrel.
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How would cheap oil collapse the US economy? I think it would help if nothing else, though it would kill all prospects for alternative energy.
Watch the video and you'll get all the details. It's a 75 minute video but it's pretty interesting. I don't know if I believe everything that Mr. Lindsey states, but it does seem plausible.

According to the video, our economy would collapse in part due to the Iranian oil being sold in Euros instead of US dollars and an old agreement the US has with oil selling nations.
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When I see this stuff coming from iran, i keep going back to obama's comments from his book "Audacity of hope" where he say's 'I will stand with the Muslims if the political winds get ugly."

That's a comfortable thought huh?
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Can't watch the video at work and usually I'm too busy at home. Iran already sells oil in Euros but we don't buy any oil from them. The way Iran could try to collapse our economy (and the world economy) is if they stopped all traffic through the Strait of Hormuz which carries 70% of the world's oil. Even if that happened just for a while, imagine what that would do to oil prices.
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Be glad they have missiles, or Bush would have already invaded and we'd be seeing oil at $300 a barrel.
Wow. Could we send them a few missiles to keep Bush at bay and keep the oil at this low, low price?
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Can't watch the video at work and usually I'm too busy at home. Iran already sells oil in Euros but we don't buy any oil from them. The way Iran could try to collapse our economy (and the world economy) is if they stopped all traffic through the Strait of Hormuz which carries 70% of the world's oil. Even if that happened just for a while, imagine what that would do to oil prices.
Here's a few links without videos that have the same info:

http://www.drudge.com/news/108415/energy-non-crisis

http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/lindsey-williams-life-threatened-by-tycoon-for-speaking-out-about-the-non-energy-crisis/

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