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09-14-2006, 10:02 AM
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W - Restoring honor and integrity
ABC News has a piece that reminds me of the members of this board who say that we should not accuse W of lying because he has not been convicted by a jury of his peers. Ignoring for the moment that the reason W hasn't been convicted might be because lying is not a crime, I still find that "defense" of W odd. It sets such a low bar, as if being a non-criminal was all you needed to meet the supposedly high standards of this administration.
Well, the Inspector General at Interior seems to have similar reservations: Quote:
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09-14-2006, 11:59 AM
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Reminds me a bit of the opinion on torture put out by the admin. about if it doesn't rise to death or organ failure, it's not torture. You could shove bamboo up someones fingernails for 5 years and not meet that definition.
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09-14-2006, 12:22 PM
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Listening to Alberto Gonzales reminds me of being back in law school where people would muse about just how far legal arguments could be stretched to cover various scenarios. It can be an interesting thought experiment while in an academic setting, but it's not necessarily such a great way to set national policy in the real world. Gonzales is a smart guy, but he seems to have no moral compass. He thinks it's OK for the US to do bad things so long as he can come up with some sort of legal argument that could conceivably justify them. I hate it that he is representing our great country.
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09-15-2006, 04:32 AM
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09-15-2006, 05:05 AM
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Q.) What kind of info, what kind of sources? A.) Well, I can't answer that without compromising national security. Q.) Well, what are you doing about it? A.) Again I can't tell you that without compromising national security... On and on. Secrecy and democracy are not mutually exclusive, but when these guys are interviewed on news programs it just irks me a bit. Its just a bit too easy for them to say these things, as if there was no debate on fundamental issues, its just the way it is and we're at war and thats that. These guys may be smart, but there is no real intellect operating there that I can percieve. They're tools.
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09-15-2006, 07:01 AM
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And while we're about it,me buckos.Neither John Gotti,Gaspipe Casso,Ducks Corallo,Sonny Franzese,"Doves"Aiuppa nor "Snake "Persico were ever convicted by a jury of their "peers".
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09-15-2006, 09:21 AM
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he fits right in with the neos.
any argument no matter how flimsy will be repeated ad nauseum because so many folks who support them will buy it. and they dont care what the rest of us think. tom w
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09-15-2006, 09:38 AM
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09-15-2006, 02:07 PM
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12-20-2008, 02:45 PM
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There are certain things that should NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF PRINT OR OF DAY when it comes to security...whether it be your home security, your business' security or the Nation's security... Let me ask you...what's the code for your home's security system? Don't want to tell me? This forum is just as secure, if not more so, because not every nair-do-well is reading this TODAY...right? How 'bout where you work? Where do you keep the spare key hidden? I'm sure there are alot of rocks near the front door...if I really wanted in, I'd be out front for a while looking...right? Why should the HSA-guy spill the beans 'cause some 'tater-brained talking head asked him a question? Let me give you a personal sample of "DUH-H-H-H!!!" I just move back up to Appleton, WI. and there just happened to be a store-evacuation going on at a local ShopKo store...people were standing out front of the store, in the cold, or were heading for their cars...nobody could understand why the store was "...having an unscheduled power-shutdown..." during the day..."Why couldn't they have done this during the early morning...blah, blah, blah..." Guess what? A local TV News-geek (He shall remain nameless, partly because of his brainlessness, but also, he's deceased...) got on the tube that night (at 5pm, 6pm and finally, 10pm) and told the viewing audience that "...there had been a bomb-threat. So the management told the store's guests that there was an "unscheduled power-shutdown being conducted" and they'd like everyone to head for the front exits in an ORDERLY AND CIVIL manner so they could take care of the issue... Listen closely here...if I, or anyone that's with me, EVER HEARS A STATEMENT LIKE THAT BEING BROADCAST IN ANY STORE I'M IN/NEAR, I GARE-RAN-TEE-YOU THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER EXIT/ENTERANCE THROUGH THE NEAREST WALL TO ME. I don't care if I'm in the chitter dropping 3 dueces...I'm running out of that place with my pants around my ankles...damn the paperwork...I'm going to live to wipe tomorrow!!! There are many things we don't need to know...but along with "freedom of the press" comes another right that seems to be practiced less and less these days...common sense and sensibilty... With the exception of some of us on this forum, we can usually deduce the difference between BS, and something that's close to the truth...but the regular population (or the lowest common denominator) just can't handle the truth, whatever it may be... Mass panic is the last thing this country, or any country for that matter, needs right now. And, knowing the intimate detailings of the government's operations isn't really something that needs to be on display for ANYONE/EVERYONE to see. PERIOD. BTW, where's that tape on hot-dog making? I got a cookout planned this New Years' and I want to have that playing on the 52" plasma while I'm cooking up the hors-de-vour!!!   'Dem 'dar smokies is go-o-o-o-od eatin'!!! 
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09-19-2006, 03:17 PM
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It's abundantly clear we're in the "Decline of Empire"
Hello everyone ....
When the press grilled 'Dubya' about the telephone tapping at that press conference last year, since he had no appropriate defense for the legality of such activity, he ultimately resorted to this explanation: "....well, I'm the President, and I think have the authority to do that." Restoring honor and integrity is most assuredly desperately needed, but I fear that it is not possible at this point in America because as is evidenced by the behavior of its leader, the society is immersed in the "Decline of Empire." I see signs of it everywhere these days. One of the signs that a civilization is in decline is the abuse and misuse of language; particularly in the political arena; and Dubya has that down pat. I refer you to writings from George Orwell - following is an excerpt from "Politics And The English Language"; written by him in 1946 - and it can certainly be applied to what's going on today: "Most people who bother with the matter at all would admit that the English language is in a bad way, but it is generally assumed that we cannot by conscious action do anything about it. Our civilization is decadent, and our language — so the arguments runs — must inevitably share in the general collapse. It follows that any struggle against the abuse of language is a sentimental archaism, like preferring candles to electric light, or hansom cabs to aeroplanes. Underneath this lies the half-conscious belief that language is a natural growth and not an instrument which we shape for our own purposes. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real aims and one's declared aims, one turns instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics'. All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer. Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable; and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind - and with variations, this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists. When one makes a stupid remark, its stupidity will be obvious; even to oneself - and that simply won't do in the political arena. In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible. Thus, political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. It consists in gumming together long strips of words which have already been set in order by someone else, and making the results presentable by sheer humbug. If you use ready-made phrases, you not only don't have to hunt about for words; you also don't have to bother with the rhythms of your sentences, since these phrases are generally so arranged as to be more or less euphonious. When one watches some tired political hack on the platform mechanically repeating the familiar phrases — 'bestial atrocities'; ' iron heel'; 'blood-stained tyranny'; 'free peoples of the world'; 'stand shoulder to shoulder' — one often has a curious feeling that one is not watching a live human being, but some kind of dummy: a feeling which suddenly becomes stronger at moments when the light catches the speaker's spectacles and turns them into blank discs which seem to have no eyes behind them. And this is not altogether fanciful. A speaker who uses that kind of phraseology has gone some distance towards turning himself into a machine. The appropriate noises are coming out of his larynx, but his brain is not involved as it would be if he were choosing his words for himself. If the speech he is making is one that he is accustomed to making over and over again; he may be almost unconscious of what he is saying, as one is when one utters the responses in church. And this reduced state of consciousness, if not indispensable, is at any rate favourable to political conformity. The invasion of one's mind by ready-made phrases anaesthetizes a portion of one's brain. The politician simply throws his mind open and lets the ready-made phrases come crowding in. They will construct his sentences for him — even think his thoughts for him; to a certain extent — and at need, they will perform the important service of partially concealing his meaning even from himself. It is at this point that the special connexion between politics and the debasement of language becomes clear." .... George Orwell , 1946 ________________________________________________________ How does thatgrab ya? What an insightful gentleman - wish he were alive today. Sincere Regards, Michaela 1984 190D 2.2 Sunnyvale, California ________________________________________________________________ "The History Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire" by Edward Gibbon, reveals the decline of the Roman empire was paralleled by a decline in the morality of its citizens. Consider the community's general attitude towards truth ... a civilization rises because it pursues truth, it falls when it suppresses truth. Why won't anyone do anything about Dubya and his suppression of the truth?
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12-20-2008, 01:59 PM
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Any word about what's to become of the Crawford Ranch?
I suppose they'll hang out there while the Dallas property gets "hardened" for security purposes. The Secret Service has to have their onsite sentry and command center fully operational before move in.
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