From memory, the difference was between $12xx and 16xx, easily accounted for by the difference between tithing to a church or not.

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1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

well, at the midnight mission (as told by my sometimes homeless friend) you have to listen to the sermon before you get the supper.

and then there's mother teresa. her charity is about baptisms.

so whom is the charitable giving / tithing really benefitting?

reminds me of the aids charity run by dionne warwick, which had "overhead" of about 75 cents on the dollar.

charity does seem real popular among robber barons, especially in their declining years, when they start to worry about their reputations. (maybe an insurance policy for the afterlife?)

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You can always give some money to the catholics so they can go to africa and tell people that using condoms is "wrong," or maybe pay for the defense of a few more pediophiles.

Are we counting that as "charity" too?

I'm sure someone is.

As a conservative who does not belong to a church (yes there are some of us out there) I give to charities. I also make sure that the charities I give to are going to USE the money to help people and not for the salaries of their staff, big media campaigns, etc

One charity I am giving to now is Kiva.org It is a micro finance orgainization that gives small loans to entrepreneurs in developing countries so that they can either set up or expand their businesses. The recipient has to give the money back in a certain amount of time. This money is then loaned again and again. I donate every month to them to increase the amount I am personally lending out.

I also give to Heifer International. This is a charity that gives animals such as goats, oxen, pigs, bees, etc to people so that they can farm them and benefit from the products these animals produce. Again, the recipient is expected to take part of the increase in their herds and pass them along to others thereby helping more people.

I stay away from the United Way and other ones of that ilk as they have huge overheads.

As far as Haiti goes, I want to donate there, but I am afraid my money will be sucked up by the corrupt government down there or diverted by the charity here - Take for example the Red Cross. I called them to ask if I donated say $100, would it end up in Haiti or in the general budget. Guess what the answer was? That's right the general fund! They do not have a way to allow people to allocate where their donation goes!

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Wow, a resurrected thread by a bunch of liberals being critical about how much and to whom conservatives give to rather than the being self critical about the giving they don't do, who would have thought? How about some links where one can find evidence of your own personal altruistic actions? Surely all you fine citizens are recognized somewhere for all you've done for others, you must be listed as a benefactor somewhere that could lend credence and authority to your disparaging the motivations and work of others!

Doctors W/O Borders has a place for donations to Haiti.
https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/SSLPage.aspx?pid=197&hbc=1&source=ADR1001E1D03

Thanks for the info, these guys appear to be a fairly low overhead operation (I hope).

The conservatives give more money but the liberals volunteer more. Volunteer hours can not be used as a deduction on tax forms which is why conservatives don't volunteer.

I've checked with charity ratings and DWOB is one of the best.

Thanks.

Got a link for that info?

How about we agree to put this silly argument on hold until we each make a donation (to this charity or any other)?

So, how does that account for Gore's spirit AND record of personal non-giving??

Why did you jump into the argument in the first place? Now after you chime in with your argument you've decided it's silly and should be put on hold? Until after you start making donations? Why should those who've donated have wait on hold for you?