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RichC · #16 01-29-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.
Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
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Poor little George Bush, I did not know the american people were blaming him for
something he had no control over..

Why he is just a little saint, and we got it all wrong, it was the evil congress.

Give me a break...

You make it sound like president bush had nothing to do with anyting that happened on his watch.

That is simply not true.

Congress plays a role in our government just like the other two branches. (executive, judicial)

Its called a balance of power.

In fact, good old Gerorie boy and Mr Dick have expanded and, well overstepped the boundries of their respective offices. Dick even claimed to not be in any branch but in a seperate class all of his own.

I think it is funny that they did soo much to grab for power in the executive branch and now its been turned over to Obama and crew..

Botnst · #17 01-29-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

That's a clever article, but I don't think it holds water.

For those who complain about our government, lets see them come up with a simple system for governing 300,000,000 human beings, each with his or her own free will and each acting in what he or she sees as her own best interests.

That's not to say our laws are not too complicated or that we don't have some clowns in Washington, but I don't think it is nearly as simple as the author claims.

You're not offering defense of the status quo or suggesting that it couldn't be done better, are you?

Brian Carlton · #18 01-29-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Poor little George Bush, I did not know the american people were blaming him for
something he had no control over..

Why he is just a little saint, and we got it all wrong, it was the evil congress.

Give me a break...

You make it sound like president bush had nothing to do with anyting that happened on his watch.

That is simply not true.

Congress plays a role in our government just like the other two branches. (executive, judicial)

Its called a balance of power.

In fact, good old Gerorie boy and Mr Dick have expanded and, well overstepped the boundries of their respective offices. Dick even claimed to not be in any branch but in a seperate class all of his own.

I think it is funny that they did soo much to grab for power in the executive branch and now its been turned over to Obama and crew..

Did you happen to read the article before you posted that drivel?

Botnst · #19 01-29-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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I use my coice of things I spend my money on, as a vote for how I want things done....

Which you earn yourself and on which you pay income taxes.

LUVMBDiesels · #20 01-30-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Did you happen to read the article before you posted that drivel?

If he had he would have seen that the 545 included the Prez and Veep as well as the Supremes...

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Originally Posted by dculkin

That's a clever article, but I don't think it holds water.

For those who complain about our government, lets see them come up with a simple system for governing 300,000,000 human beings, each with his or her own free will and each acting in what he or she sees as her own best interests.

That's not to say our laws are not too complicated or that we don't have some clowns in Washington, but I don't think it is nearly as simple as the author claims.

I don't think the article says we need to change the form of government, just the people doing the governing...

mgburg · #21 01-30-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

No, I would not agree.

My opologies...I stand corrected...I was referring to the 538 nimrods...that's the part that I've been railing against...

Honus · #22 01-30-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

In many ways it is applicable.

When these "representatives" spend far more money than the government receives, they put a burden on the future that will be difficult to overcome.

When they allow the banks to extend themselves to the point of insolvency and then toss billions of dollars to prevent a complete collapse of the banking system, they have not upheld their obligation to the American people.

You can argue forever of where and how to spend the dollars received, but the above two statements are irrefutable.

Can't argue with any of that. I think my objection is more about the tone of the article, as if our government is run by a bunch of losers. They do some maddening things, but they also face incredible challenges. I think they do a better job than people say.

For example, the article says:

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The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party.

She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

Sounds easy, doesn't it? In real life, it is anything but easy.

Honus · #23 01-30-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

You're not offering defense of the status quo or suggesting that it couldn't be done better, are you?

Definitely not. For example, we could get rid of Cantor, that twerp.

I am not defending the status quo. For whatever reason, our government seems to have more room for improvement these days than it did just a few short decades ago. Maybe it's something about the internet or 24/7 news coverage. We seem to be having trouble adjusting to the new environment. As a result we get people like Eric Cantor in places of great power.

LUVMBDiesels · #24 01-30-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Definitely not. For example, we could get rid of Cantor, that twerp.

I am not defending the status quo. For whatever reason, our government seems to have more room for improvement these days than it did just a few short decades ago. Maybe it's something about the internet or 24/7 news coverage. We seem to be having trouble adjusting to the new environment. As a result we get people like Eric Cantor in places of great power.

I think that in the old days the media would not publish a lot of the stuff they dug up. FDR did a lot of things that were hinky and never got called on it. In fact his not being able to walk was never reported on during his lifetime.
JFK, Truman, LBJ had issues too. It was not until Nixon that the press started really digging. Now they report on everything. This makes the politicians look bad -- not that they aren't bad, but now we KNOW it...

aklim · #25 01-30-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

I say throw them all out. There is no excuse for keeping Congressmen and Senators in office for 40+ years when they only have getting re-elected in mind.

Simple thing to do. However, what to replace them with? More of the same?

aklim · #26 01-30-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Vote 3rd party.

To what end? How can you say that we won't get a different guy with the same ideas?

jt20 · #27 01-30-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

How convenient. You managed to relieve an entire nation's habits of their natural progression.

responsibility resides in awareness.

Brian Carlton · #28 01-30-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

For example, the article says:Sounds easy, doesn't it? In real life, it is anything but easy.

In real life, the problem is pandering. The representative needs to align his vote with the party line otherwise the party will leave him out in the cold come the next election.

It's always about getting reelected in the short term............rather than about the "right" thing to do for the long term.

It's a sad commentary that they all vote as a bloc..........a select few control the vote. If they can't think for themselves, WTF do we need 'em for? Just let Nancy Pelosi vote the entire democratic bloc.........

Botnst · #29 01-30-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Definitely not. For example, we could get rid of Cantor, that twerp.

I am not defending the status quo. For whatever reason, our government seems to have more room for improvement these days than it did just a few short decades ago. Maybe it's something about the internet or 24/7 news coverage. We seem to be having trouble adjusting to the new environment. As a result we get people like Eric Cantor in places of great power.

I have a terrier with a rat fixation. Doesn't matter whether there's a rat, he's always on the look out jus' in case.

I am in complete accord with you on the degrading spiral of government, that in my own memory started with Kennedy's foolish "Bay of Pigs" crap. One would think that would have been sufficient grounds for Congress to throttle the presidency but instead, they unleashed Johnson with the War Powers Act, which he abused like middle-aged priest. You would think that Congress would throttle the presidency after Johnson, but they didn't, which gave us Tricky Dick and his elusive ways. You would think they would throttle ...

Same with Reagan, Bush I, & Clinton. Now we have the crowning pinnacle of Congressional ineptitude -- the past 8 years.

Anybody heard a peep out of Congress concerning the War Powers Act? I mean since Bush left office.

And that's just foreign policy.

We can talk about the interminable, inept, enormously expensive, and expanding "War on Poverty". Now there's a war with the only casualty being taxpayers. The same dumb forking pigs who will pay for this "bail-out" of the economy, a euphemism for "bail-out of my special interest group."

I'd like to rewind the fed to about 1934 size.

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MS Fowler · #30 01-30-2009, 07:30 PM

Voting public funds to benefit any constituency is where the ideals of the system breaks down.