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Old 03-03-2009, 12:23 AM
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"the war in Vietnam was criminal folly"

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If you believed, correctly, that Nixon was a tyrant of sorts for various reasons and that the war in Vietnam was criminal folly, would you have been doing your patriotic duty to spill the blood of the tyrants in the matter?
Oswald did!
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Old 03-03-2009, 12:42 AM
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Oswald did!
You think that's why Oswald done it? The war was pretty young then. Who knows.
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Old 03-03-2009, 12:47 AM
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Sadly Oswald was killed a bit to quickly, I'm usualy in favor of very fast executions but not before the prisoner talks. He took his motives, and any other helpfull info with him to his grave. If the FBI got a chance to work him over for 6 months I wonder what interesting things may have come out.
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Old 03-05-2009, 12:14 AM
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Sadly Oswald was killed a bit to quickly, I'm usualy in favor of very fast executions but not before the prisoner talks. He took his motives, and any other helpfull info with him to his grave. If the FBI got a chance to work him over for 6 months I wonder what interesting things may have come out.
True that. What an obnoxious dweeb that guy was. Self important midget.
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Oswald mindmeld?

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You think that's why Oswald done it? The war was pretty young then. Who knows.
You think JFK wasn't a tyrant and responsible for Vietnam?

Certainly someone who shares Oswald’s predilections all things Marxist/Leninist has the capacity to at the very least imagine that Oswald's contemporaneous world view might have fit easily and found agreement within your original statement but for only the player's name and political affiliation being different. One can't deny that Oswald was a trailblazer when it came to the slobbering embrace of anything anti-American. The fact is he could be a poster child for all who today desperately rail and fight against the fundamental ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not provided by others.

Had Oswald at an earlier time in his life, not been trained as a Marine Corp rifleman and developed that particular set of skills; he might at some later time found himself alongside a kindred spirit such as Bill Ayers mentoring a young Barack Obama. Without question Oswald’s episode in the USSR and his renunciation of US citizenship would have eminently qualified him for inclusion into the present ruling inner circle if not an appointment to a Cabinet position.
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Old 03-05-2009, 12:00 AM
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You think JFK wasn't a tyrant and responsible for Vietnam?

Certainly someone who shares Oswald’s predilections all things Marxist/Leninist has the capacity to at the very least imagine that Oswald's contemporaneous world view might have fit easily and found agreement within your original statement but for only the player's name and political affiliation being different. One can't deny that Oswald was a trailblazer when it came to the slobbering embrace of anything anti-American. The fact is he could be a poster child for all who today desperately rail and fight against the fundamental ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not provided by others.

Had Oswald at an earlier time in his life, not been trained as a Marine Corp rifleman and developed that particular set of skills; he might at some later time found himself alongside a kindred spirit such as Bill Ayers mentoring a young Barack Obama. Without question Oswald’s episode in the USSR and his renunciation of US citizenship would have eminently qualified him for inclusion into the present ruling inner circle if not an appointment to a Cabinet position.
Hyperbole alert. I don't view Kennedy as a saint, but he was pretty much handed Vietnam by Eisenhower and the entire red-scared US culture.

Word was he was planning to wind it down, but who knows.

Oh yeah, I'm a Marxist/Leninist.
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Hyperbole alert. I don't view Kennedy as a saint, but he was pretty much handed Vietnam by Eisenhower and the entire red-scared US culture.

Word was he was planning to wind it down, but who knows.

Oh yeah, I'm a Marxist/Leninist.
French to U.S. Involvement
n May 1945, the Truman administration gave France its approval to resume colonial authority in Indochina, Truman hoping that France would liberalize its rule there. In that part of Indochina called Vietnam, the French were already facing a declared independence. A movement called the Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, a veteran Communist, had been fighting the Vichy French regime in Vietnam, which was administering Indochina for Japan. And the Viet Minh had been helping the Americans by rescuing downed U.S. airmen. At the end of the war the Viet Minh had committees throughout Vietnam, and Ho Chi Minh announced Vietnam's independence. Most Vietnamese were overjoyed and looked upon the Viet Minh and Ho Chi Minh as heroes. This was the nationalist aspect that U.S. forces in Vietnam would be fighting. In spirit, Vietnam was independent of foreign rule. But the Truman administration and the other Allied powers repeated the policy of the Allied powers at the end of World War I. They ignored the wish of the Vietnamese to be independent. The French tried to force their way back in Vietnam, and a war between the French and the Viet Minh began in December 1946.

The United States helped the French in Vietnam, President Truman doing so for the sake of the fight against communism in Europe and in Indochina. Much of France's efforts to overthrow Ho Chi Minh's government in Vietnam was being financed by the United States, and around 1950 the Viet Minh began to benefit from the coming to power of the communists in China. After North Korea invaded South Korea in 1950, Secretary of State Dean Acheson persuaded Truman to increase U.S. assistance to the French effort in Vietnam, and the United States recognized France's puppet king in Vietnam, Bao Dai. After Eisenhower took office in 1952, U.S. aid to the French effort in Vietnam increased, and by 1954 the U.S. was paying 80 percent of the financial cost of the war against the Viet Minh.

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