Thomas Jefferson...a Visionary

[jplinville]

John Kennedy once said to a assembled group of scholars in the White House, "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

The Thomas Jefferson quotes below could prove his point.






When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe
Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson



My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

Very Interesting Quote:


In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

[MS Fowler]

I just saw a Winston Churchill quote that I'd like to add:
A cat looks down on you, a dog looks up to you, give me a pig--they look you straight in the eye and consider you an equal.

[Honus]

When the Yankees fired Casey Stengel for turning 70, he said, "I'll never make that mistake again."

[Botnst]

It amuses me to no end that the Democrat Party celebrates it's power through annually acknowledging Jefferson and Jackson as the sources of their wisdom.

That is a strange delusional narcissism.

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by Botnst

It amuses me to no end that the Democrat Party celebrates it's power through annually acknowledging Jefferson and Jackson as the sources of their wisdom.

That is a strange delusional narcissism.

Someone is doing this? Some of our founders did display wisdom (not sure about Jackson (Andrew?)), at least in the opinion of many. Referencing their utterances offends you??

[MS Fowler]

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Someone is doing this? Some of our founders did display wisdom (not sure about Jackson (Andrew?)), at least in the opinion of many. Referencing their utterances offends you??

I won't speak for Bot as he is fully capable of speaking for himself. For me, I am offended at the hypocrisy of using these utterances as a way of saying "We should pay attention", yet they, as a party are completely opposed to the actual substance.

[Carleton Hughes]

'Ol Jeff did like the dark meat though.

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I won't speak for Bot as he is fully capable of speaking for himself. For me, I am offended at the hypocrisy of using these utterances as a way of saying "We should pay attention", yet they, as a party are completely opposed to the actual substance.

I don't buy the "completely opposed" part. This notion that Obama is trying to take away from them that work and give to those that don't is just not sound.

Do you think very many in the ranks of the newly unemployed and having trouble finding new work are looking to be welfare leeches from now on?

There are some things so big only gubmint can do them. Like my favorite, the GI Bill.

I mean, who knows, if you provide me with good examples of these dang liberals being completely opposed to the spirit of Jefferson's words, I might come around.

[dannym]

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Someone is doing this? Some of our founders did display wisdom (not sure about Jackson (Andrew?)), at least in the opinion of many. Referencing their utterances offends you??

He was probably refering to Jefferson's repeated attempts to undermine the Presidents attempts to negotiate peace with France. And his sedicious, behind the scene's comments that almost destroyed the union.

Jackson? Don't know much about him.

Danny

[JollyRoger]

Originally Posted by Botnst

It amuses me to no end that the Democrat Party celebrates it's power through annually acknowledging Jefferson and Jackson as the sources of their wisdom.

That is a strange delusional narcissism.

They were left wing radicals. Both believed in universal suffrage, a radical left wing idea of the time, as the conservatives of the day believed only the propertied classes should vote. It was the foundational idea of the Democratic Party. It's true, I learned it in high school.

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

They were left wing radicals. Both believed in universal suffrage, a radical left wing idea of the time, as the conservatives of the day believed only the propertied classes should vote. It was the foundational idea of the Democratic Party. It's true, I learned it in high school.

Tell us about Jefferson's views toward the role of the federal government with regards to the states and citizens. Demonstrate the congruency of his views with either major party.

Inform us of Jackson's views toward minorities and toward the rule of law as interpreted by the supreme court. Demonstrate the congruency of his views with either major party (this should be easy for you).

[JollyRoger]

I certainly don't think Jefferson was a man of our times, he was a man of his own times, and in his time, his ideas were radical, in fact, the most radical of his day. Do you deny that?

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by jplinville

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Agreed. And that's why Reagan was correct to rail against the really bad practice of sending free money in the mail to successive generations of leeches. And why Clinton was correct, with Republican prodding, to reform the welfare system.

But implying that any and every govt. social program is that and that alone is way simplistic. There are plenty of people who want to work but for various reasons it eludes them. The free market sometimes addresses this problem, other times does not.

Originally Posted by jplinville

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

I get a kick out of the way most everyone who references this quote assumes the tyrant is someone else, certainly not the leaders that the speaker holds dear. If you believed, correctly, that Nixon was a tyrant of sorts for various reasons and that the war in Vietnam was criminal folly, would you have been doing your patriotic duty to spill the blood of the tyrants in the matter?

[Billybob]

Originally Posted by cmac2012

If you believed, correctly, that Nixon was a tyrant of sorts for various reasons and that the war in Vietnam was criminal folly, would you have been doing your patriotic duty to spill the blood of the tyrants in the matter?

Oswald did!

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by Billybob

Oswald did!

You think that's why Oswald done it? The war was pretty young then. Who knows.