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LUVMBDiesels · #1 03-23-2009, 12:00 PM

Here is an article from Debbie Schlussel on how her website was blocked in a discriminatory manner and how she was able to get the decision reversed.

QUOTE:http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/03/getting_my_site.html

March 22, 2009

How I Got My Site UnBlocked From Lib Computer Co. Execs: Pls. Let Me Know If Your Company/Agency Blocks DebbieSchlussel.com

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By Debbie Schlussel
**** UPDATE, 03/23/09: DebbieSchlussel.com still being blocked ****
**** CORRECTION: I originally noted the company blocking my site as "Smart Computing." It is Secure Computing. Not sure why I had "Smart" on my mind, since the original move to block my site wasn't smart, just obnoxious. ****
A couple of readers told me my site was blocked at their respective hotel and employer within the last month. But in the last few days, a ton of readers have let me know that this site, DebbieSchlussel.com, was being blocked by their employer with the designation "hate/discrimination." The same thing happened to readers from the Veterans Adminstration, General Motors, Wachovia, Hilton/Hampton Suites, etc., when they tried to access this site.
I learned, today, via this article, that my site was being blocked by McAfee's Secure Computing TrustedSource product.

I contacted the in-house PR person from Secure Computing, who answered her cellphone (which was not designated as such on the company's website). She was initially upset I called on her cellphone and said this was the first she'd heard of this problem. At first, she incorrectly blamed the individual companies for my site being blocked "because they don't want their employees online during work." But that's not the case, I pointed out, since other sites with similar content were not, in fact, blocked at their workplaces. She asked me to write her an e-mail. I sent the e-mail below, and presto-change-o, I heard back from both the PR person and McAfee's Director of Web Security Research (McAfee owns Secure Computing).
I learned from them that apparently a Secure Computing executive (whom I believe was referred to with female pronouns) manually changed the benign designation of "Politics/Opinion" on both DebbieSchlussel.com and Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs to "Hate/Discrimination" on March 18th, which is the reason many of you have been unable to access my site since then at companies which filter out sites so designated by TrustedSource.
Yes, some liberal, apparently biased McAfee/Secure Computing exec used her own personal political bias--or that of someone who contacted her--to sabotage my site and Pamela's and censor us. Not such a "Trusted Source" after all, is it? Yes, we are in a day and age where the left cannot control the internet, so they try to censor out what they don't want you to read.
Fortunately, the McAfee people say that because of my call and e-mail (again, they say they only heard from me and this is the first they knew of this), they have reversed the designation and labeled our sites, "Politics/Opinion." The McAfee web security person apologized repeatedly, to her credit.
Please e-mail me and let me know whether or not you can access this site now from work (if you cannot, you are obviously reading and e-mailing me later in the day from home). Please also let me know at which company you work. Your e-mails will be confidential. This is important because some companies use different programs, and I want to tackle all of them.
I'm told that they are meeting tomorrow to discuss how to stop one person from censoring out websites in the future, as was done to me and my site in this case. I'm also told, though, that the re-designation of my site to "Politics/Opinion" is not permanent, as two others need to review it and agree. Let's hope they are objective and not knee-jerk liberals (or pan-Islamists) in doing so. They said they will let me know their final decision and why. Stay tuned, and in the meantime, please read this e-mail below, which I sent to get this outrageous decision reversed. (Please also note that the McAfee people claim that Gateway Pundit was never labeled as "Hate/Discrimination" and thus wasn't subject to the censorship that I was.)
We must remain vigilant on this issue as traffic is the lifeblood of websites, including this one.
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From: Debbie Schlussel writedebbie@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Subject: Secure Computing's Designation of my Site as "Hate/Discrimination" . . .
To: ally_zwahlen@securecomputing.com
Ms. Zwahlen:
Pursuant to our conversation, today, your company and it's "TrustedSource" product have designated my conservative political website, http://www.debbieschlussel.com, as "Hate/Discrimination," which has led many of my readers in the past few days to note that their employer has blocked my site because of your designation and your products. I have thousands of readers a day, and I have learned that my site as well as two other sites with several thousand readers, Atlas Shrugs and Gateway Pundit, are also similarly and inaccurately designated at "hate/discrimination" by your company and its products, leading companies that use your products to block our sites.
Our sites are not hate/discrimination sites, and we hope we don't have to take this much farther. However, if this situation is not resolved to our satisfaction, we will, and we will be forced to report on this on our sites and list the Fortune 500 companies and government agencies that use your biased designations of websites with which someone at your company who doesn't like our politics has chosen to sabotage us. I hope you will get to the bottom of this and resolve it, rather than continuing to give me the false and untrue excuse that this lies with the companies that use your product. This lies with your company and its designation of our sites as hate/discrimination. If that designation were removed, there would be no problem accessing our sites. For now, my site is now blocked from General Motors, Wachovia, the Veterans Administration, Hilton/Hampton Suites Hotels. All of these companies have told those who've inquired that they block out sites your company's TrustedSource notes as "hate/discrimination" and "racism," neither of which describe my site at all.
Here are the details on what your company is doing and why the blame lies directly with you. This article lists the sites your designation has been bestowed upon and why we are now blocked.
http://usabig.com/atnmst/jrnl_ii.php?art=29
Please note that I am a practicing attorney, licensed in the State of Michigan. Should I have to pursue further action in this matter, I would do so in Michigan, as your company's software and improper designation of my site has taken place at the Michigan offices of General Motors, among others. Your designation of my site as "hate/discrimination" interferes with my relationship with my customers and readers and has harmed me significantly with tremendous damages.
I look forward to your prompt response and resolution of this matter to my satisfaction, which means the removal of "hate/discrimination" and/or "racism" designations of my site and the use of the "Politics/Opinion, Blogs/Wiki," which your company has designated other sites with the same content and opinions as my own.
Again, please let me know when my site is re-designated in a proper, accurate, and benign manner, and/or what action you and your company intend to take. This is a potential public relations nightmare for your company that you have the opportunity to quickly resolve.
Thank you,
Debbie Schlussel

Here are the responses:

From: Zwahlen,Ally Ally_Zwahlen@securecomputing.com Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Secure Computing's Designation of my Site as "Hate/Discrimination" . . .
To: writedebbie@gmail.com
I'm looking into this now...I have technical team members on this tonight.

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From: Zwahlen,Ally Ally_Zwahlen@securecomputing.com Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Secure Computing's Designation of my Site as "Hate/Discrimination" . . .
To: writedebbie@gmail.com
Can you give me a phone number? One of our technical team members will call you to work this out.

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From: Zwahlen,Ally Ally_Zwahlen@securecomputing.com Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: Secure Computing's Designation of my Site as "Hate/Discrimination" . . .
To: Debbie Schlussel writedebbie@gmail.com
Debbie,
[Name redacted] (technical manager) and I will be calling you in a few minutes . . . conferencing her in.
Ally Zwahlen
Director, Public Relations
McAfee, Inc.
925.207.4573 Direct
ally_zwahlen@securecomputing.com

Thanks to Ally Zwahlen for getting right on this, especially on a Sunday, and to her Director of Web Security, who asked that her name not be made public.

Posted by Debbie at March 22, 2009 09:44 PM

mwood · #2 03-23-2009, 12:07 PM

Get ready for the lefties like our lovable pirate to defend this as a non-governmental play. If it was aimed at a lib site the outcry would be deafening.

JollyRoger · #3 03-23-2009, 12:13 PM

This has nothing to do with governmental suppression of free speech, does it? Why do you post such drivel? Do private companies not have a right, in your view, to choose what content they wish to carry?

compu_85 · #4 03-23-2009, 12:29 PM

Absolutely. When you are using company equipment or services the things you create (be it work product or nothing) belong to the company. The company has a 100% right to restrict and audit what you do on their machines. This should be spelled out in the policy you signed when you started working there. NOTHING you do on a company computer is private.

-Jason

Kuan · #5 03-23-2009, 12:32 PM

The point is the software manufacturer labeled her site as hate speech. Not that companies are restricting access while at work.

LUVMBDiesels · #6 03-23-2009, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

This has nothing to do with governmental suppression of free speech, does it? Why do you post such drivel? Do private companies not have a right, in your view, to choose what content they wish to carry?

Hey Mwood -- you were right on the money!

Do you want a third party determining what you can or cannot view? Since Secure Computing is not the end user of these web sites what right do they have in setting policies for other entities as to what is acceptable and what is not? And then they implement their decision without informing the end users of what they did. I applaud DS on fighting to get her site unblocked. This nannyism of our lives is getting out of hand.

It is also funny how the sites being blocked are all right wing...

The definition of H/D web sites used by Secure Computing is
"Hate/Discrimination (hs)
Web pages that provide information that would encourage the oppression of a specific group of individuals. This includes promoting, explicitly or implicitly, an agenda against groups based on race, religion, nationality, gender, age, disability, or sexual orientation. Political parties with a specific hate-based agenda may be included. If involving jokes or humor, the focus of the entire site must be considered hateful or discriminatory to fall under this category."

Funny how HuffingtonPost, Daily Kos, Free Mumia, etc are OK, but Atlasshrugged, Debbie Schlussel, Ann Coulter,etc are not...

Could somebody have an agenda here?

JollyRoger · #7 03-23-2009, 01:07 PM

Ah yes, a conspiracy! Black Helicopters! Vince Foster! EEEEEEEEE!

cmbdiesel · #8 03-23-2009, 01:25 PM

Ah, the continued theory of left-leaning liberal media.
I think FAUX news did a story on that...

As for site blocking, who hired the company that did the blocking?
Somebody did - "The same thing happened to readers from the Veterans Adminstration, General Motors, Wachovia, Hilton/Hampton Suites, etc., when they tried to access this site."
These companies obviously (for reasons unknown) think McAfee does a good job for them. I won't have McAfee on my system, but thats just me.
Personally, I think the right wing wackos yell louder and get more attention for their counterparts in the "news" business than the left wing wackos

Botnst · #9 03-23-2009, 01:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAdJLLmpWBU

JollyRoger · #10 03-23-2009, 01:39 PM

Oh my God! McAfee has a copy of Obama's Birth Certificate as their site validator! Get me Glenn Beck on the phone !!!! Call Infowars!!!!! Get my AK-47 out from under the pillow! eeeeeekkkkeeekkkkkkk!!!!! It's CONSPIRACY!

cmbdiesel · #11 03-23-2009, 01:42 PM

George Bush senior lives in Maine too.

The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory.

JollyRoger · #12 03-23-2009, 01:49 PM

Interestingly, I surfed the site in question, tho most of her blog postings have no comments, meaning no one reads the ridiculous Koolaid she is posting, one section had a few comments, here's one:

WITH A NAME LIKE "MARVIN SUTTON" I'M GUESSING HE COULD HAVE BEEN A YID

^ that would block access to the site to computers accessing thru my workplace, which does not allow racist drivel to be accessed. I also noted her favorite theme on her home page is putting up pictures of illegal aliens giving her the finger and grabbing their crotches and such. It is no wonder firewalls are picking her up.