The Gun Thread - Page 6 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Fulcrum525 · #76 03-31-2009, 01:45 PM

Rifle- H&K G3
Handgun- Sig P229
Shotgun- SPAS 12
Overkill- Gepard G6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkDxUy7F0Ig

Then again i've never fired a real gun in my life, so what the heck do I know

JollyRoger · #77 03-31-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

The only one that I know of that was easy to convert was the M1 Carbine.
They sold a kit at the shows with a template, a drill bit and a spring. The instructions went something like this

1) Do NOT place the template over the receiver as shown in the picture.

2) Do NOT drill a hole using the provided drill bit at the place marked on the template

3) Do NOT hook the spring from the hole to the place on the trigger mechanism shown in the instructions

For laws, we should go with the laws in Vermont or WV. Open carry, pistols are not licensed, but to conceal carry you need a license. The license should be relatively easy to get. In WV the background check took less than five minutes and I was done. I think you need a check to make sure the person you are selling to is a legal resident, not a convicted felon (traffic court does not apply here) and not too crazy...
I am not in favor of restricting pistols to store owners and bankers as they do in NY. It is almost impossible to get a pistol permit in NY.

For guns, right now just the 12 Ga pump. Doing skeet and trap for now. Got my kid into it and now he is better than me. He wants a Browning O/U $$$$

Soon I will get the Taurus Judge with the ability to fire .45 and 410 shells! Perfect home defender...

I also want the K98 I passed up a few years ago. Love old bolt action mil rifles!

The wifey wants a Thompson! but $4000 for a semi-auto Tommy gun is a bit much. Also it will knock her on her @ss!

I'm quite a fan of the M1 Carbine, back years ago I worked on the road a lot, and the variations in local gun laws made carrying a pistol problematic, so I started carrying a paratroop M1 model with the folding stock and shorter barrel, legal anywhere. I had a long tool box that it fit into quite nicely, and it was nicely concealed in it when going in an out of hotel rooms, and if I was working in a sketchy part of town, I would just have my toolbox nearby and looked perfectly normal. It is a highly underrated weapon, IMO. There still are a lot of pamphlets and such around the local gun shows on converting one to full auto, I have one somewhere around the house in case the Anti-Christ One World Government Headquartered in Moscow arrives, I check Glenn Beck daily for updates.

pj67coll · #78 03-31-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by el presidente

Let's hope we never have to find out. Anarchists went away in the 20s, didn't they?

No. They're like cancer. Just in remission.

- Peter.

cmbdiesel · #79 03-31-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

It's cut and dried allright. "right" and "shall not be infringed" are pretty simple words that cant really be interpreted to mean anything other than what they mean.

However. The argument will continue forever simply because there are large numbers of people who dont care for the US constitution and are determined to stuff their opinions down other peoples throats and if that means destroying the constituion to do so they will happily try.

How about the term 'arms' Does that mean rocket launchers?

In the parlance of the times, 'bear arms' was applied exclusively to army and militia context, not normal citizenry.

Still, the 2nd amendment has not been incorporated by the Supreme Court to apply to the states. The amendment only stops Federal action, not state or private action. If your town passed a law stating that you could not possess firearms within its borders, it is free to do so. Same goes for home owners associations etc.

I don't think the anti-gun folks have trashing the Constitution as their goal. I believe that they are more concerned about getting gunned down.

JollyRoger · #80 03-31-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by el presidente

Let's hope we never have to find out. Anarchists went away in the 20s, didn't they?

Hmm....

pj67coll · #81 03-31-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

In the parlance of the times, 'bear arms' was applied exclusively to army and militia context, not normal citizenry.

Rubbish. The *RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR ARMS* applies to the PEOPLE as written in plain english. The army is never mentioned,

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Still, the 2nd amendment has not been incorporated by the Supreme Court to apply to the states. The amendment only stops Federal action, not state or private action. If your town passed a law stating that you could not possess firearms within its borders, it is free to do so. Same goes for home owners associations etc.

That's perfectly true.

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I don't think the anti-gun folks have trashing the Constitution as their goal. I believe that they are more concerned about getting gunned down.

Then they should damm well buy a gun and defend themselves from perps instead of mollycoddling them.

Sorry, I don't agree. There are probably some who have the concentration spans of a gnat and who think that if nobody had any guns we'd all be safe so let's just let criminals have them. Then there are those who do in fact hate the reality of the constitution because it severly limits their ability to stuff their philosophy down other peoples throats. They typically infest the radical left of the democrat party and are currently enabled by the current political landscape in DC.

- Peter.

Botnst · #82 03-31-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Examples like these is what makes me question the fairy tale that a well-armed citizenry can defeat its own oppressive government. I think the 2nd amendment is most useful for home and self-defense against common criminals, but IMO it's next to useless in fighting your own government. It didn't work out too well for the South, did it?

The lesson is this: There is no lesson. You cannot generalize. Just as one cannot predict with certainty when a government will become despotic.

Thus, I would argue that protecting the power of the individual citizen, guided by his own morals and conscience, is a better guarantor of liberty than any number of promises of leaders, laws on the books, constitutions written, and armies raised.

Botnst · #83 03-31-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

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In the parlance of the times, 'bear arms' was applied exclusively to army and militia context, not normal citizenry....

Not true.

DieselAddict · #84 03-31-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

The lesson is this: There is no lesson. You cannot generalize. Just as one cannot predict with certainty when a government will become despotic.

Thus, I would argue that protecting the power of the individual citizen, guided by his own morals and conscience, is a better guarantor of liberty than any number of promises of leaders, laws on the books, constitutions written, and armies raised.

I'll take a well-trained and equipped professional military over an untrained mob of armed citizens as the better guarantor of my liberty. If what you're saying were true, there'd be no need to have a military as the armed citizenry would be enough to guarantee freedom for everyone. That might be an interesting experiment, but one I would not want to participate in. The thing is, there's much more to the power of the individual citizen than how many guns he owns.

DieselAddict · #85 03-31-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Sorry, I don't agree. There are probably some who have the concentration spans of a gnat and who think that if nobody had any guns we'd all be safe so let's just let criminals have them. Then there are those who do in fact hate the reality of the constitution because it severly limits their ability to stuff their philosophy down other peoples throats. They typically infest the radical left of the democrat party and are currently enabled by the current political landscape in DC.
- Peter.

That's a bunch of rubbish, including the last sentence.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/191037

Hatterasguy · #86 03-31-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by diametricalbenz

And who or what is going to make that distinction?

Simple:

Felony= no guns.

AFAIK thats the law right now.

Hatterasguy · #87 03-31-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

The 2nd amendment wasn't written to guarantee the right to hunt deer.

It was all about protecting the individual's household and community from external threats. It is of equal importance to the 1st and all other amendments in the Bill of Rights. So named because of those amendments' restrictions on government's ability to step on the neck of the people.

The 2nd Amendment is a tool for guaranteeing the other amendments in the Bill of Rights.

Exactly. I don't hunt, I want them to help keep that guarantee good.

DieselAddict · #88 03-31-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Simple:

Felony= no guns.

AFAIK thats the law right now.

If only it could be properly enforced. It's also worth noting that every felon starts with a clean background.

Skippy · #89 03-31-2009, 07:30 PM

Harsh prosecution of felons possessing a firearm helps.

BTW, I disagree with the prohibition against possession by those with misdemeanor domestics. I say this because I've known several guys who either did nothing or did very little and got a domestic, while the serious wife beaters never seem to get prosecuted.

Hatterasguy · #90 03-31-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I'm with Mrs LUV. I've wanted one of those since forever."Saving Private Ryan" rekindled it. I fired the M-1 Carbine when I was a teenager but didn't much care for it. It was owned by a guy who used one during WWII. A former Seabee. Said it was good for shooting Japanese soldiers at night. His language was more colorful.

Sounds like my grandfathers M1.

I'd love a BAR, and an MG34. I want to be able to through some lead with authority.