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raymr · #31 04-10-2009, 10:36 AM

All this underscores why the middle class must be rescued. You have the Northeast NJ Connecticut NY area where mostly the rich can afford decent housing and schools, and the rest are barely hanging on by the coattails. The property taxes up there are insane, and I dare say that some of it stems from a certain amount of xenophobia. The divide between rich and poor is starting to be reflected everywhere in the growing number of gated communities popping up. If something isn't done we will be just like countries in South America that have distinctly 2-class societies.

SwampYankee · #32 04-10-2009, 11:00 AM

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I'm looking forward to seeing my working class taxes drop next year.

Sorry if that costs us an F-22.

I don't know cmb, I'm not sure Dodd or Larson will let that happen.

pawoSD · #33 04-10-2009, 11:02 AM

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Yep, its worth every cent. I can look left over my shoulder now and see LIS and Charles Island through the trees. Find me a good saltwater view in MI and I'll move.

Water is water, you can't see the salt anyways. This is the view I can have if I go for a short drive. (or bike ride for that matter....)

pawoSD · #34 04-10-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by raymr

All this underscores why the middle class must be rescued. You have the Northeast NJ Connecticut NY area where mostly the rich can afford decent housing and schools, and the rest are barely hanging on by the coattails. The property taxes up there are insane, and I dare say that some of it stems from a certain amount of xenophobia. The divide between rich and poor is starting to be reflected everywhere in the growing number of gated communities popping up. If something isn't done we will be just like countries in South America that have distinctly 2-class societies.

Exactly. The name "gated community" is just "shielded compound" put into nicer words. The gap between the real rich and real poor just keeps growing.

cmbdiesel · #35 04-10-2009, 11:08 AM

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I don't know cmb, I'm not sure Dodd or Larson will let that happen.

hey, at least we got the subs, raised my property value immediately

Just reread my earlier post ragging on CT, may have been a little harsh. CT was a great place to grow up, and I love the hills, trees, lakes and proximity to the ocean. Most of my issue with CT come from spending my last 15 years living in the mountains of Colorado. Hard to come back to wet and overcast once you have gotten used to dry and sunny. I would rather live in CT than many other places, just would rather be in Colorado than anywhere else.

Hatterasguy · #36 04-10-2009, 11:21 AM

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As for Long Island Sound, it's nice to look at, but I wouldn't swim in it.

LIS is very clean, I swim in it all the time.

Are you basing that statement on the water being dark or actual research? Because my HS had a research vessel and we ran many tests on the sound in conjuction with colleges, NOAA, and schools in China.

I can assure you the sound is far far cleaner now than it was in the 60's and 70's.

We were doing studies with the Chinese on raising nori in the sound, but the acidity of out local waters are higher than than in China.

Hatterasguy · #37 04-10-2009, 11:23 AM

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Water is water, you can't see the salt anyways. This is the view I can have if I go for a short drive. (or bike ride for that matter....)

Pretty view, but water is not water. You live inland so you wouldn't understand.

Big lakes are fun, but on salt you don't have to come back. You can do what people I know have done(and I plan on doing) and sail over the horizen to anywhere on on the globe, their is no coastline just over the horizen, just endless expanses of water. My friend sailed to St. Thomas and South America. Another guy at the marina came back a few years ago from a circumnavigation.

SwampYankee · #38 04-10-2009, 11:33 AM

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Is CT really that special a place to live that people are willing to fork out that much money? You can get amazingly beautiful and nice properties in real nice places in MI for vastly less than that.....

I'll never understand why people live in places where they practically have to have a truck haul away money to pay for it.

As long as I have a nice garage, a room to do my computer-experimenting.....and am in a neighborhood where my car's won't be vandalized and I won't get shot....that's good enough for me!

And, I'm plenty close to water, if I want to go boating, I could get a boat and pull it to a lake barely 5 miles from here....or even better, I can get to Lake Michigan in less than 30 minutes from where I presently sit....in a straight line its only about 24 miles away.

Hattie lives in a different 'hood altogether. I'm in Central CT, where the taxes are comparatively high in relation to other parts of the country but property isn't anywhere near as much as Fairfield County.

Taxes on my humble 1250 sq.ft. cape bungalow on a 1/3 acre are still $450/month but we do have a very good school system and it's where my family has been for 375 or so years and our business for 117. Otherwise I'd flee! I figure with one special needs child, 2 kids in the gifted program and another one on it's way to the school system I'm getting more than my money's worth out of my state and local taxes. But right now school and kid-related activity is the driving force.

Hatterasguy · #39 04-10-2009, 11:36 AM

The more I travel the more I like where I am.

FL is no bargin, NC is pretty nice, as is VA I could see maybe moving their.

CA is nice, I'd move to CA if I made $1m a year and could properly enjoy it.

CA is well on its way to a two class system, at least the part I saw. Other than the better weather CA is a lot like CT.

TylerH860 · #40 04-10-2009, 11:42 AM

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The more I travel the more I like where I am.

The more I travel, the more I hate where I am. The bang for the buck here is much better, though.

Hatterasguy · #41 04-10-2009, 11:45 AM

The real estate market seems to be doing pretty well down their though?

Your dads a builder isn't he? How are sales?

pawoSD · #42 04-10-2009, 11:48 AM

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The more I travel, the more I hate where I am. The bang for the buck here is much better, though.

Can't beat our area....Lansing MI (capital city) is the #1 least expensive place to live in the USA!

And my city is 6th!

Around here, $150,000 gets you a pretty big house (2,000+ sq feet) in a nice neighborhood.

pawoSD · #43 04-10-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Pretty view, but water is not water. You live inland so you wouldn't understand.

Big lakes are fun, but on salt you don't have to come back. You can do what people I know have done(and I plan on doing) and sail over the horizen to anywhere on on the globe, their is no coastline just over the horizen, just endless expanses of water. My friend sailed to St. Thomas and South America. Another guy at the marina came back a few years ago from a circumnavigation.

I guess if you want to spend a huge amount of time on the water you need the ocean.....but the Lake is pretty massive....even going at a real good clip in a boat it takes about 4.5 hours to cross the lake at its narrowest point.

TylerH860 · #44 04-10-2009, 11:52 AM

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The real estate market seems to be doing pretty well down their though?

Your dads a builder isn't he? How are sales?

There was never a bubble to burst, so yes, things are normal here.

No, my dad is not a builder, but he does do quite a bit of dealing with commercial real-estate. The bread and butter are the Taco Bells, which are doing fine as well.

TylerH860 · #45 04-10-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Can't beat our area....Lansing MI (capital city) is the #1 least expensive place to live in the USA!

And my city is 6th!

Around here, $150,000 gets you a pretty big house (2,000+ sq feet) in a nice neighborhood.

If I were ever to move, it would not be further into the rust belt. I'm not parking my cars 4-6 months out of the year. I hate winters in the flatlands anyway.