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Old 05-11-2009, 12:24 PM
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As a minority student who was denied acceptance to college of my choice because of my race I'd jump at the opportunity to take a bite out of white privelege.
You must be very old to have been denied admission to an American university because of your race. Did they send you a letter admitting to racial discrimination, or are you assuming that was the cause?

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Old 05-11-2009, 12:26 PM
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You must be very old to have been denied admission to an American university because of your race. Did they send you a letter admitting to racial discrimination, or are you assuming that was the cause?
Look, when your friends with lousier academic records than yours gets in while you get left out what do you think?

PS: I'm not very old. I just act like an old codger. Hang around Mshop enough and you too will.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:54 PM
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Look, when your friends with lousier academic records than yours gets in while you get left out what do you think?

PS: I'm not very old. I just act like an old codger. Hang around Mshop enough and you too will.
Getting caught disassembling the principal's MG and reassembling it in the Janitors' Closet still making life hard for you, yet? You'd have thought they'd have taken that off your HS Record by now!
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[QUOTE=Kuan;2197502]Yeah.

I think, however, that some people argue that the test was discriminatory. ie., the playing field is level, hence a fair test should produce fair results, and that the proportionality should be congruent from test to result.[/QUOTE
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but that does not mean that we can ignore the disadvantages certain groups have in our economy.
What disadvantages? Public education is accessible to all and no discrimination is made against anybody in that educational system. Therefore everybody applying for a position should, at the very least, have the bennefit of that educational system.

Consequently changing the rules after the test because the results don't fit in with your liberal world view is simply political correctness. It is not just a stupid liberal religion it has the potential to actually cause harm in this instance given the nature of the jobs that standards were flushed down the toilet for.

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Given that political correctness is the problem, I agree, the answer has nothing to do with it. Except perhaps in as much as getting rid of it.

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Look, when your friends with lousier academic records than yours gets in while you get left out what do you think?

PS: I'm not very old. I just act like an old codger. Hang around Mshop enough and you too will.
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I think you may have not as done as well as you think compared to them, if we use your current writing style as an example of your skill set:

Look, when your friends .... gets in while you get left out what do you think

This is more than a typo.
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I have been the victim of discrimination based on race too, as white, by an exec that told me " I'm black and over 42..I could walk naked down this hall and they won't fire me, as long as I don't touch any women.."

I have always agreed with the need to avoid discrimination. I hired black men and women in technical jobs when it was unfashionable. What I have not agreed with: the quick and dirty solution of affirmative action quotas that put incompetent, unsuitable people in jobs they can't handle, generating huge resentment followed by poor performance.

But then, we have political appointees all over the spectrum too, don't we?
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Yes Mr. Strelnik, you are correct.
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Is it possible to agree that discrimination on the basis of race is wrong, and will not be tolerated?
I do not agree. Sometimes discrimination against the majority or dominant race is needed in order to level the playing field. To say that we will all of a sudden be color blind would be like making one football team play the first 3 quarters blindfolded and then making things "fair" by removing the blindfolds in time for the 4th quarter.

None of this justifies what happened to Mr. Ricci - that situation was botched - but I don't think what happened to him means that we should throw up our hands and say everyman for himself.
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:33 PM
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What disadvantages? Public education is accessible to all and no discrimination is made against anybody in that educational system. Therefore everybody applying for a position should, at the very least, have the bennefit of that educational system.
You think the playing field is level. I disagree. Beyond that, I don't think there is much more to say on the subject.
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Consequently changing the rules after the test because the results don't fit in with your liberal world view is simply political correctness...
Or incompetence.
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...I have always agreed with the need to avoid discrimination. I hired black men and women in technical jobs when it was unfashionable. What I have not agreed with: the quick and dirty solution of affirmative action quotas that put incompetent, unsuitable people in jobs they can't handle, generating huge resentment followed by poor performance...
I agree with that. The same was true of busing.

I don't know how to level the playing field, but just because quotas don't work doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep trying to find some sort of solutions.
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I do not agree. Sometimes discrimination against the majority or dominant race is needed in order to level the playing field.
The Nazis thought there were too many Jews in the legal and medical professions. Were they only at fault in taking the "level playing field" to the extreme? And I like the way you distinguish between the majority and the dominant race. That is exactly how Affirmative Action will be justified when whites are no longer a true majority in America. They'll say we are still dominant.
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Twenty six posts until someone has to mention Nazi or Hitler. We're not exterminating people here.
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So you relate this occupational dispute to Nazi Death Camps? Give me a break.

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The Nazis barred Jews from entering certain professions because they were judged to have previously formed a type of monopoly. Explain to me how this is different from denying a white person a job because whites are judged to be too numerous in a certain profession?
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Old 05-11-2009, 05:00 PM
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One is a matter of national policy, the other is some dispute this guy is having with some city. The entire dispute is constrained by the US Constitution, where as the Nazis were restrained by nothing. Some day he'll get his day in court, I bet he does alright.

All this extreme stuff, you guys are starting to sound like someone running around in circles with their hair on fire.

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