Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2253075)

Gates was in his home. Isn't that a man's last refuge?

He was charged with an offense occuring in a public place.
If a cop can't take a bit of verbal abuse he's in the wrong job.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2253088)

How would that cop know that Gates was in his home and not in someone elses home? His good word?

Again, just because I can take abuse from you doesn't mean I have to, does it? Gates got inconvenienced for being a jerk. Do you think he does NOT deserve that for his behavior?

Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2253092)

The cop would know because, according to the police report, Gates did produce identification. I don't know why you can't get the facts straight.

If you consider the photo of Gates being led out of his house in handcuffs, how does a charge of puiblic behavior apply when the man is still in his home? I think a person is entitled to say anything to a police officer while in his home. Why do think otherwise?

Originally Posted by dynalow (Post 2252964)

"Outrageous abuse?"
"Anti-American"


Maybe, just maybe, the cop might have thought there was a teensy weensy chance the man was really involved in a B&E, like the caller suggsted might be the case.

I think asking for his ID is perfectly reasonable in the circumstances.

"May I see some identification"..(presumably to establish that the man was who he said he was and that he was not a burglar.)

"No, officer, it's ok. I live here"

Oh, ok then. I'll take your word. Have a nice day"

Is that how it should play out?

"May I see your license and registration please"
"Why? Cause I'm a Black Man" :(:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2253093)

The cop repeatedly asked Gates to come outside once the confrontation began. Why not keep the commotion inside and as quiet as possible? Once he was outside he could be arrested for a public disturbance. Don't think that could have happened inside his own house.
The cop admits that Gates appeared to be the resident of the house right from the start. The racial overtones of the situation seem pretty clear to me. The cop could have defused the situation by apologizing for the inconvenience and not asking Gates to come outside.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2253088)

How would that cop know that Gates was in his home and not in someone elses home? His good word?

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2253106)

Funny you should think that I don't have the facts straight. I could have said the same for you. Police say Gates at first refused and accused the officer of racism. That was from the article. In the article by Dynalow The police report states that Gates was arrested after exhibiting “loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniformed police officer who was investigating a report of a crime in progress.’’ Gates disputes some information provided in the police report, but does acknowledge that he responded with anger.

In anger, Gates brought up race, according to the police report. When Crowley told him he was investigating a report of a break-in, the professor said, “Why, because I’m a black man in America?’’

The report also states, “Gates then turned to me and told me that I had no idea who I was ‘messing’ with and that I had not heard the last of it.’’

Please feel free to add more facts.

Does that include threats?

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2253113)

The cop himself writes in the report that he thought Gates was the resident of the house so it wasn't as if the cop seriously thought Gates was a burglar.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2253112)

Good question. Inside the house, the cop would have been at a disadvantage. Outside, he is on neutral territory. Inside the house, Gates could have accused him of assault, rape, etc, etc. Outside the house, there is no appearance of trying to hide anything and there would be witnesses. Would YOU want to take it inside knowing that you could be accused of bad behavior and there are no witnesses? IOW, you will be guilty until you prove your innocence? I wouldn't

Originally Posted by mgburg (Post 2253110)

Let's see...where have we seen something like this in the past that didn't quite work out as well as everyone would have wanted it to?


TWO OFFICERS: "What's going on here?"

JD: "Nothing officers. He's just my drunken gay lover. We were playing a little rough and now I'm trying to get him back in the house where he'll be a bit more decent. Don't worry, I'll clean up the blood"

TWO OFFICERS: "OK, we just wanted to be sure you guys were OK. Bye now."

Jeffery took his bleeding "lover" back into his apartment and finished off what he had started, just before his "lover" had escaped and unfortunately, ran into the only two cops in Milwaukee that probably had just come from a "diversity training" session...those two officers let the bleeding "lover/victim" back into the hands of Jeffery Dahmer...yep, that kid ended up being the last victim of ol' sicko Jeff...That kid would still be ALIVE today, if in fact those two cops didn't HAVE to be PC in a world where bad crap happens to all kinds of people...being around PC-adjusted folks just lowers your chances of coming out on top of the bad guy by a factor of 2.0:1...


If you want to claim racism in the case of Gates vs. Civility...show me were Crowley went "stick" up and down Gates face and body...if that's the case, you might have one...

As for the media sticking a camera up "O's" nose and wanting an opinion? He should have been spending our tax dollars on reparations for the homefront instead of offering the "black like me" rebuttal to inane questions from uninformed querists.

Gates needs a lesson on civility to people in authority...and it should be pointed out to him that since he doesn't have a Secret Service Detail assigned to him...he just like the rest of us...we all put our pants on, one leg at a time, we all sit for Number 2 and if someone with a badge and gun are at your door, you invite them in, offer them a cup of coffee and answer their questions IF you have nothing to hide...

Works for the MAJORITY of this country and without any problems...some folks seem to think they're ABOVE everyone else...

I don't recall Gates being on the ballot last fall...do any of you? :confused: ;)

And, when I get pulled over, or I'm stopped by an officer...where are my lips? Anywhere he wants them...I may not like it, but it beats (pardon the pun...oh hell, enjoy it!) getting poked in the eye with a sharp stick, any day! :thumbup1:

Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2253075)

Gates was in his home. Isn't that a man's last refuge? He was charged with an offense occuring in a public place.
If a cop can't take a bit of verbal abuse he's in the wrong job.

Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2253115)

I don't need to post more facts. You need to understand the facts you have posted. Where in your post does it say Gates did not produce identification?

How was Gates in a public place if he was arrested in his home?

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2253124)

From what I was reading, he didn't produce identification till there was some back and forth going on. Had he done so INITIALLY, we would not have read about this, would we? He started with his accusations and what not, did he not?

Wasn't he outside and threatening the cops? If so, how is he in his home?