Could you elaborate on how his time in the Phillipines, and the dates he resided there, affects his citizenship.
And when did Obama denounce his citizenship?

Please, it's easier to have "humble opinions" when they are unfettered by facts or evidence.

I just don't like him, how is that?

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Care to expand on that, you have approximately 3.5 years to complete that thought.

There must be an element of this movement that is just having a psychologically difficult time with the depth and breadth of the "different" President. It's understandable that there would be a backlash to such a historical event.

It must be terribly frustrating,to be able to do nothing,other than attempt to
obstruct the orderly flow of government for four years;because you allowed
a nutcase to be placed before the public as a VP candidate.
After 8 years of cheney wrapping himself in Old Glory (and Terrorizing everyone)
and hoodwinking the uneducated,fringe element that had become
the republican party into allowing wholesale graft,corruption and crimes
against the Constitution...

What,self respecting, honest lady or gentleman would associate themselves
with such a group of criminals and idiots?

"TeaPartys", "Birther Movements" [code for republican racist activism],Etc.,Etc., Ad Nauseum...

The Lack of any rational leadership allows all the whacko fringe elements to
further emhamper the skeletal remains of what was once the gop.

To draw a direct parallel to the still (after 65 years) emboldened skin head
movement, the spiritual and political inheritors of the Nazi regime...
Would not be incorrect.

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To denounce one's citizenship is quite different than renouncing one's citizenship. I've denounced my country a number of times for being an brutal imperial power unconcerned about the human rights of people in other countries, but I've never renounced my citizenship.
I also don't get why being in the Phillipines has anything to do with one's citizenship.

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Thanks for bring the difference between renounce and denounce to my attention. I corrected my previous post to agree with the post to which I was replying.
As to the Phillipines, Obama never lived there. He lived in Indonesia.

Exactly, I don't know what there even is to argue. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions, and I am iffy on Obama myself, but accusations like these are completely baseless when the documents have been posted again and again, verified, and the simple fact that Obama has a passport is enough to show he is an American citizen.

I am also interested in hearing about when he renounced his citizenship....

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Ok first he was born in Hawaii, although no one has produced his Birth Certificate. Officials of Hawaii have confirmed it's existence, but refuse to provide a copy claiming some legal thing.
IF OB wanted to squelch these stories, rumors or whatever HE should be able to request a certified copy and provide it to ???
This is one reason I make reference to a cover up.

During his time in the Philippines (documented), in order for him to attend the school he did, he must be a citizen of the Philippines. Dual citizenship is not allowed.
So he may be a natural born American, but he gave up his citizenship.

Yes, it was his parents as he was very young, so I guess HE did not denounce.

My opinion and I don't claim to be convinced, is based on enough points to question his citizenship. Yet the only refuting of these points has been people saying yea he's a citizen, and courts just plain refusing to hear the case.
It would be too simple to just provide a certified Birth Certificate, and his side of the Philippine story to end this controversy. But no one has.

I read these various things before he was swarn it, so I'd have to go back and dig up the details. I have only kept cursory review since then, but again, have not heard any one from OBs side refute any of these points.

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I don't have to respect too many people anymore.

There is no documentation Obama lived in the Phillipines. Mainly because he lived in Indonesia. If you can't get that simple fact straight-well.

As I said I read this a long time ago, so let's not nit pick. Basically It raises more questions than answers.
All OB has to do is simply provide a certified to Birth Certificate to a neutral party. The NY Times, Chicago Tribune ???

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I also think we should just say F'it and move on.


OH and to the Racist comment, let's get over the racist thing.

I am upset we elected an African American to the Presidency, BUT if he was American of African descent I have no issue's with his race. AMERICA FIRST.

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You must have missed my link.

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That you thought Obama lived in the Phillipines is evidence your understanding of the issue is far from complete. Why would a newspaper and it's attending agenda be considered neutral?
Obama's legal documentaion of his birth in Hawaii has been examined by enough parties to guarantee its authenticity.

No can do. This birther nonsense wouldn't happen to a white president. This "controversy" is built in part on racism.Tell that to the birthers. They are undermining Obama's authority. There was a guy in the news a few weeks ago refusing to deploy to Afghanistan because he said that the Obama was not born in America and is therefore not the real Commander in Chief. His lawyer bragged that they had at least a few hundred other members of the military who intended to take the same position. If that happens, I hope every last one of them gets a dishonorable discharge. They are not putting America first.

You're right...because, by the time a white guy would have got sworn in, he would have been vetted out...McCain was accused and vindicated by a Democratically-controlled Congress...but that same Congress didn't have the 'nads to do the same to the other candidate. Now we want to do it?

Racism is "red herring" in all of this. Seems we had a few under B-43 that wanted to do the same...even under C-0.5 and B-41 too, but for slightly different reasons...some in uniform don't believe that the UN has any authority to command them...and I, personally, believe that to be true. But that's a different story altogether...I personally know of 3 persons that resigned their commissions under C's watch...just because of his positions...dog only knows how many REALLY GOOD OFFICERS AND MEN QUIT because of their SWORN OATHS and the love they felt for their country...

To some people, words mean something...

To a politician...you're screwed...and nothing has to be said...their actions speak loud enough.

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