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MS Fowler · #1 11-03-2009, 06:05 AM

Several elections today. What will the outcomes mean for the Obama administration? He has been out on the campaign trail, so one would think that he seems them as having some importance. Would democrat losses make it more difficult for the democrat whips to browbeat the blue dog dems into supporting the administration?

LUVMBDiesels · #2 11-03-2009, 07:22 AM

From the propaganda I have been getting these races are NOT about who is a better governor for NJ or Va, but a referendum on the President and his policies. One side says we need to show the administration that America is waking up and the other side says we need to keep the 'Party of No' out of any office it runs for.

As for me, I support Christie in NJ just because I did not like Corzine and his 'smarter than you smirk' (and his policies, which are not much different than McGreevy) so much I moved out of NJ and I do not like his "Can a fat man run NJ" campaign

In Va I also like McDonnell but that is because of his platform and the fact that he is campaigning himself and not running "Obama says vote for me ads"

MTI · #3 11-03-2009, 12:12 PM

What makes a handful of local elections "key?" Perhaps because they're the only game in the news cycle. What will be sure, which ever candidate wins will say that it's a referendum on whatever side they represent.

JollyRoger · #4 11-03-2009, 12:40 PM

The governor's races aren't that big a deal but the open seat in upstate New York is. The involvement of Palin and the Talk Show Party Leaders is a test that will show if these people have any real political mojo or not. If they lose, it will be bad news for the GOP.

MTI · #5 11-03-2009, 02:42 PM

It probably matters more, in these local elections, by what margins either candidate wins/loses and what issues were central to the win/loss.

450slcguy · #6 11-03-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

From the propaganda I have been getting these races are NOT about who is a better governor for NJ or Va, but a referendum on the President and his policies. One side says we need to show the administration that America is waking up and the other side says we need to keep the 'Party of No' out of any office it runs for.

In NJ, it has nothing to do with a referendum on Obama. Many of the loyalist Democrats hate Corzine and are hesitant to vote for him. He's been a real do nothing arrogant scumbag governor. I voted for him just because I couldn't bear to push the Republican button. If he wins, I'll be terribly disappointed.

Palangi · #7 11-03-2009, 10:40 PM

Looks like Jon Crookswine went down in flames in New Joisey.

cmac2012 · #8 11-03-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

The governor's races aren't that big a deal but the open seat in upstate New York is. The involvement of Palin and the Talk Show Party Leaders is a test that will show if these people have any real political mojo or not. If they lose, it will be bad news for the GOP.

Yahoo is saying Owens (D) has 49% with Hoffman (R) at 45%. Word was the original Rr was going to win it but the party of 'boot out the moderates' knew better. That's some long coat-tails Ms. Palin.

I suspect though that any bad news here will just be more water off the far right's backs.

TheDon · #9 11-04-2009, 12:22 AM

I think the Daily Show had the right idea about this..

MTI · #10 11-04-2009, 12:51 AM

Here's a thought . . . a Republican winning NJ as Governor has a lot in common with a Democrat winning the last presidential election . . . you won, but what do you do to clean up the mess left behind?

MS Fowler · #11 11-04-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Yahoo is saying Owens (D) has 49% with Hoffman (R) at 45%. Word was the original Rr was going to win it but the party of 'boot out the moderates' knew better. That's some long coat-tails Ms. Palin.

I suspect though that any bad news here will just be more water off the far right's backs.

The question I would have if I were a NY republican is, Why was that woman chosen as the repub candidate? It appears that she shared NOTHING of any known republican values. If I want a social and economic liberal, I go with a democrat. Why elect a repub who is no different philosophically from a dem?

MS Fowler · #12 11-04-2009, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi

Looks like Jon Crookswine went down in flames in New Joisey.

Not even the robo calls by the President, nor the political dirty tricks at the last minute could save him.

MS Fowler · #13 11-04-2009, 06:20 AM

As to what the results mean......
It is obvious to me that the White House spin is just that--spin. It is clear that if the dems had swept all three races that the WH would be trumpeting how much it showed support for the Obama program. Since they results are mixed, of course they will deny that there is any significance. All pretty much the way any politican would play it.

The real effects should be seen rather quickly. Pelosi has scheduled a vote Friday on the HC bill. The dem Whip is already having some difficulty. If the Blue Dog dems see these results as indicating that the country is not fully behind the Health Care overhaul, then it makes it less likely that the House will pass it. If they Blue dogs all fall in line behind the leadership, then you can interpret that these elections had little effect, in spite of what the pundits and spin-docotrs say.

LUVMBDiesels · #14 11-04-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

As to what the results mean......
It is obvious to me that the White House spin is just that--spin. It is clear that if the dems had swept all three races that the WH would be trumpeting how much it showed support for the Obama program. Since they results are mixed, of course they will deny that there is any significance. All pretty much the way any politican would play it.

The real effects should be seen rather quickly. Pelosi has scheduled a vote Friday on the HC bill. The dem Whip is already having some difficulty. If the Blue Dog dems see these results as indicating that the country is not fully behind the Health Care overhaul, then it makes it less likely that the House will pass it. If they Blue dogs all fall in line behind the leadership, then you can interpret that these elections had little effect, in spite of what the pundits and spin-docotrs say.

I agree...

Honus · #15 11-04-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

As to what the results mean......
It is obvious to me that the White House spin is just that--spin. It is clear that if the dems had swept all three races that the WH would be trumpeting how much it showed support for the Obama program. Since they results are mixed, of course they will deny that there is any significance...

How does that logic differ from your own?